Iraq.

DiscoMick · 24th June 2014, 07:48 PM

Originally Posted by Saitch

I don't understand your reasoning.
If England was attacked by whom??? Themselves????
This is what these "Group Mentality" people are doing!
Steve

Not sure I follow you.

Let me give another example, not from the Middle East, but from Burma. Burma has more than 100 ethnic groups. The dominant Burmans have been murdering, robbing, raping, torturing, enslaving and driving out the other ethnic groups for about a thousand years, and other groups have done the same thing at times. National borders were meaningless and kept changing - ethnic loyalties were everything.
Quite a few of their victims (Shans, Chins, Karens, Karennis etc) are now Australians, and very happy to be Aussies. But I know some who would go back to fight to defend their families and villages back there, if it became necessary. Others are training to become nurses, doctors etc so they can help their people. They see themselves as very loyal Aussies, but that doesn't take away their ethnic loyalties - its part of who they are. No way would they come back here and continue the fight though - no reason for them to even think about doing that. They love Australia, but they also have other links.

Same is true for people from other parts of ther world. For example, I have several Aussie friends from a Brazilian background. They love and support the Socceroos, but they also support Brazil. Not a problem. But if someone attacked Brazil, I could imagine some people going back there to defend it.

The problem with ISIS is that its ideology is so extreme and vicious that its a terrible threat to most Muslims, let alone everyone else. ISIS are total terrorists, no doubt about that. I quite agree that people who put their ISIS loyalties ahead of everything else are not acceptable to remain Australians. There's a big difference between going off to defend your ethnic communities and going off to join terrorists who want to run rampant and commit terrible atrocities.

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**Saitch** · 24th June 2014, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by DiscoMick

Not sure I follow you.

Let me give another example, not from the Middle East, but from Burma. Burma has more than 100 ethnic groups. The dominant Burmans have been murdering, robbing, raping, torturing, enslaving and driving out the other ethnic groups for about a thousand years, and other groups have done the same thing at times. National borders were meaningless and kept changing - ethnic loyalties were everything.
Quite a few of their victims (Shans, Chins, Karens, Karennis etc) are now Australians, and very happy to be Aussies. But I know some who would go back to fight to defend their families and villages back there, if it became necessary. Others are training to become nurses, doctors etc so they can help their people. They see themselves as very loyal Aussies, but that doesn't take away their ethnic loyalties - its part of who they are. No way would they come back here and continue the fight though - no reason for them to even think about doing that. They love Australia, but they also have other links.

Same is true for people from other parts of ther world. For example, I have several Aussie friends from a Brazilian background. They love and support the Socceroos, but they also support Brazil. Not a problem. But if someone attacked Brazil, I could imagine some people going back there to defend it.

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No argument with you about a Brazilian returning to fight for his country but, this is not country v country! This is people from the same country & the same faith killing each other about differences of opinion of a book!!!
Come on!
Steve

DiscoMick · 24th June 2014, 08:16 PM

Yeah, its tribal extremism at its worst.

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**manic** · 25th June 2014, 12:57 AM

Originally Posted by Saitch

No argument with you about a Brazilian returning to fight for his country but, this is not country v country! This is people from the same country & the same faith killing each other about differences of opinion of a book!!!
Come on!
Steve

A bit naive Steve.

This is a country with a US approved government in place. The US shipped out and moved attention onto Syria regime change. ISIS has opened up a second front in iraq. US inc. are meeting stiff resistance. This a play where various international parties with vested interests are picking up fighters where ever and however they can. Historical divisions facilitate effective propaganda campaigns, throw in a ton of weapons, cash and promises and you have armies of mercenaries fighting for control. They spread death, destruction, hatred, poverty and injustice. This brings in new waves of fighters with a cause.... book to blame?

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**bob10** · 30th June 2014, 04:40 PM

Tell 'em their dreamin'. Bob

BBC News - Isis rebels declare 'Islamic state' in Iraq and Syria

**BMKal** · 1st July 2014, 06:57 AM

So what's new.

People in that part of the world have been running around with tea towels on their heads and big long knives chopping each others heads off for thousands of years.

All that's changed is that now they've got guns, and have traded in the camels and magic carpets for Hi-lux's.

Will never change .............. let 'em go for it.

And if anyone from Australia wants to go over there and join in - they're not welcome back here.

**bob10** · 13th July 2014, 06:32 PM

They are fairly modern, apparently, Bob

BBC News - A Point of View: Isis and what it means to be modern

**ramblingboy42** · 14th July 2014, 09:14 AM

Yes manic....there is a book.....they call it the Koran....it is allowed to be interpreted by whatever mufti or clerical leader chooses to advance his cause

very much like one lots of westerners use called bible , also interpreted to suit agenda

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