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    has Australia dropped the ball on solar?

    Qld is cutting back the solar rebate, & renewable energy policy debate seems to have disappeared. Have we dropped the ball on this? Here is what Obama is doing, Bob





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    U.S. President Barack Obama tours a solar project in Boulder City, Nevada. The EPA gave each state an individual reduction target that they can meet through a variety of measures, including closing coal plants, installing energy efficiency technology, adopting wind or solar power, or joining regional cap-and-trade programs. Photgrapher: Mandel Ngan/AFP via Getty Images
    I’m pretty sure the dinosaurs died out when they stopped gathering food and started having meetings to discuss gathering food

    A bookshop is one of the only pieces of evidence we have that people are still thinking

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    He's working on his sun tan ??

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    a few years ago now, Australia was leading solar pannel and solar technology. Funding was tough for the CSIRO based scientists and private companies doing the R&D.

    Big Arnie of California help poach them and LA started leading shortly after.

    Australia is stuck on repeat with things like this, its almost become bragging rights

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    Australia and Tasmania, World leaders in Renewable Energy.

    Australia and Tasmania, World leaders in Renewable Energy.

    Well known is the State of Tasmania's, Hydro Electric power generation and the Wind Generator farms.



    The state has also been a part of the scheme where Home Owners have been encouraged to fit Solar Power Panels.



    Ref; Solar Power - Hobart, Launceston and Tasmania - Energy Matters Australia

    Through the Renewable Energy Target scheme (RET), the Federal Government subsidises the cost of Solar Power Systems according to the energy generated.
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    Ref; King Island Renewable Energy Expansion (KIREX) | King Island Renewable Energy Integration Project

    A World leading in technology not well known in the community, it is a storage medium for electricity, installed by Hydro Tasmania.
    The Vanadium Redox Battery ( VRB ) was installed in 2003 as part of KIREX, as the name suggests it is a large scale battery and has been in use on King Island since installation in conjunction with a Wind Farm.




    Ref; ceic.unsw.edu.au/centers/vrb .

    The University of New South Wales in Sydney Australia has been at the forefront of vanadium redox flow battery technology since the invention of the first all-vanadium redox flow cell by Prof Skyllas-Kazacos and co-workers back in 1985. As the adoption of cyclic renewable energy generation sources such as wind and solar continues to increase, the demand for large scale energy storage technologies is rising. The UNSW Vanadium Redox Flow Battery technology is a proven, economically attractive and low-maintenance solution, with significant benefits over the obsolete lead-acid battery technology.
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    Yep, from leading the world, to it's all to hard, lets mine more coal it's cheaper short term.

    Always for now and never for the future, Australias motto for everything.

    The Government(all sides) needs to pull their heads out of their arses

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    Too Quiet

    Australia's problem is that it's Politicians follow the noise and then ill conceived promises then flush forward in line with the weight of the uninformed nonsense.

    Technology for Environmentally friendly Power Generation, isn't thought much about by the Obese, Holden / Ford loving, Pie eating, Football / Cricket watchers who make their demands for bigger and better Sports Stadiums.

    The other side of the coin is that the Companies that are at the forefront of Technology here in Australia, are woefully quiet about their achievements and are easily swayed away from our shores by the offers of more money, going to Countries that have many times the populations that Australia has, to draw investment money from.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wrinklearthur View Post
    Australia and Tasmania, World leaders in Renewable Energy.



    Ref; King Island Renewable Energy Expansion (KIREX) | King Island Renewable Energy Integration Project

    A World leading in technology not well known in the community, it is a storage medium for electricity, installed by Hydro Tasmania.
    The Vanadium Redox Battery ( VRB ) was installed in 2003 as part of KIREX, as the name suggests it is a large scale battery and has been in use on King Island since installation in conjunction with a Wind Farm.




    Ref; ceic.unsw.edu.au/centers/vrb .


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    Yes , it appears that Tas. was a World leader in the vanadium battery, but what happened? Canada has a company, supplying vanadium batteries to New York. [ see seperate thread] Next question, does Australia have a home grown source of vanadium? Bob





    Vanadium Batteries

    The batteries are capable of storing 130 kilowatt-hours each. They are produced by DMG Mori Seiki AG (GIL)’s Gildemeister unit, which has installed 50 of the systems under the brand name CellCube, Radvak said.
    The CellCube batteries use vanadium dissolved in sulfuric acid. Unlike standard lead-acid batteries or the lithium-ion units used by Tesla, they can be recharged and discharged indefinitely and may last as long as 20 years, Radvak said.

    “The system excels at multiple hours of energy for long-duration requirements,” he said. “It’s also very safe. It can’t light on fire. The difficulty has been commercializing it.”
    American Vanadium intends to mine ore in Nevada and expects to receive an environmental permit from the U.S. Bureau of Land Management this year, Radvak said. It has a supply deal with Gildemeister and an agreement to market the batteries in North America.
    I’m pretty sure the dinosaurs died out when they stopped gathering food and started having meetings to discuss gathering food

    A bookshop is one of the only pieces of evidence we have that people are still thinking

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    Ivanpah in the mojave desert is now operating. We could have lots of this type of thing if we had some forward thinking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wrinklearthur View Post
    Australia and Tasmania, World leaders in Renewable Energy.

    Well known is the State of Tasmania's, Hydro Electric power generation and the Wind Generator farms.



    The state has also been a part of the scheme where Home Owners have been encouraged to fit Solar Power Panels.



    Ref; Solar Power - Hobart, Launceston and Tasmania - Energy Matters Australia

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    Ref; King Island Renewable Energy Expansion (KIREX) | King Island Renewable Energy Integration Project

    A World leading in technology not well known in the community, it is a storage medium for electricity, installed by Hydro Tasmania.
    The Vanadium Redox Battery ( VRB ) was installed in 2003 as part of KIREX, as the name suggests it is a large scale battery and has been in use on King Island since installation in conjunction with a Wind Farm.




    Ref; ceic.unsw.edu.au/centers/vrb .


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    Except in reality, where I was speaking to some operators at the plant on King island, when I was there, they said the trackers for the panels are constantly failing and the winds from the roaring 40's are not consitant enough for good production from the wind turbines

    They did day however thos CAT gensets are ever reliable

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    Ideals

    Can we afford to have to have a surplus of energy generation capability?

    No matter which system is taken as an example, there is cost in the development, manufacturing, implementation, on going running costs and depreciation.

    Until we can see positive financial gains in another power source over a older type, it would be foolhardy for this nation of ours to simply invest for the sake of an ideal, when financial constraints are needed.

    Hydro Electricity was and still is, the best way to generate affordable power, but the scope for new sites to be developed is being curtailed by, first; a lack of suitable sites and, The wish by the environmentalists to prevent any more development. Conserving a head of water to spin a turbine isn't as important as their wish to see an area left unchanged and now to generate the needed power it has to be done by burning a nonrenewable resource instead.

    "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder", Is the sight of Suburban homes with Solar Panels screwed on willynilly over their rooves, better than the sight a fisherman has of his surroundings when casting his line into a man made lake?
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