Thread: Toyo Hari-Kari!

I couldn't resist having a go at them. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif[/img] [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif[/img] [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif[/img]

Originally posted by disco95
I couldn't resist having a go at them. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif[/img]

They take the bait everytime. Its so easy, and boy do they get fired up. Matt

I haven't looked at whether I've caused any carnage yet, I'll have to go have a gander.

You caused carnage disco, they are hanging **** on rovers to make themselves feel better. I kindly pointed out that there is a letter in the Readers Write section of 4wd Monthly about this very topic, a cruiser owner with modified suspension had a failure 550km away from civiliseation, the total cost for getting out of the mess, wait for it, $12000, no i didnt add an extra zero by mistake. Matt

Here is the letter for all to read, i couldnt get the photo, i dont have a scanner.

<span style="color:darkred">Title- SHOCKED!

I thought your readers might be interested in my recent unhappy experience with my 100 series IFS. As you can see from the pic, not much fun (note pic not included here, on page 15 of Feb 2005 4wd Monthly).
I was on the Talawana Track (WA) and sticking comfortably below 30km/h when disaster struck. After a couple of relatively slight bumps, the front drivers side dipped and i thought oh **** a flat tyre. No such luck. The wheel was lying flat on the ground when it should have been perpendicular to it!
As you can see it was a bloody mess. I had to wait four days for the Capricorn Road House fuel dump truck to come and get me. I spent another week in Newman for repairs, and then scooted home. Not a good end to an otherwise fantastic trip. By the way, Lindsey Capricorn's truck driver, Pilbara 4wd Proprietor and Newman Police were terrific. It is nice to know such professional help is at the end of the Sat phone when you are 550km from anywhere.
What caused it? It seems the shocker snapped at the bottom eye, (poor weld by the look of it), which in turn meant there was nothing limiting downward travel of the suspension- great design! How about a lower bump stop?
Result: the ball joints ripped out of the upper and lower control arms along with the steering, sway bar and ABS wiring. Total cost for extraction and repairs: a tad over $12,000, which does not include accomodation and other incidentals.
I'm still talking with ARB, which supplied the aftermarket suspension, and toyota, which designed the front end so that all this weight can be taken by the shocker.
I thought it might give your readers something to consider when next forking out some 4wd dollars. It would be interesting to know just how many front suspension failures have been suffered by 100 Series IFS owners. Perhaps actual owners could drop me an email: jockmac@senet.com.au.
It seems to be common knowledge that there have been failures of the lower control arm, where the torsion bar bracket is bolted to it. I personally know of a failure the same as mine caused by the top of the shocker pulling through the top rubbers. This happened on the Anne Beadell highway near the WA border. Dont these things ever fail near civilisation?

Peter McKenzie.</span>

Matt

Originally posted by hiline
i hope all the front ends drop off might just shut them up for awhile 8O 8O

my cruiser this my cruiser that
eat sh*t and die toyo boy's

Don't you mean -
my cruiser this (followed by glowing commentary)
your land rover that (followed by unfounded drivel).

Yep - they had it coming alright.

Well I never, my mate has a hilux diesel, Dec 83 build, has had 3 engines (No3 rebuilt x 1 that makes 4), 2 g/boxs, 1 diff (rear) numerous axle bearings, most of the front body panels and the rear tray rotted out (aluminium tray now insitu), seats are st***ed, no leg room in the back, has done around 500,000k's big deal, my 110 County Isuzu Nov 84 (I didn't buy my 110 new it was 6 y.o. when I got it in 1990 reasonable service history with it, now 20 y.o.+) has 450,000k's original engine (had injectors serviced x 1) nothing else touched on the engine other than replace radiator hoses and fan belt x 1, G/box rebuilt at 300,000k's by Maxi-drive (tapered rollers on all shafts) windscreen replaced after bird stike, No rust whatsoever and looks like a dirty 110 Defender, people are amazed when you tell them it's 20y.o. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif[/img] [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif[/img] I love telling them that I have Landrovers that are 40 y.o.+ restored and still going strong I only know of 1 toyo that was around when L/r's were doing sterling service down in the Snowy Mtns and L/r's dragged em around cos they couldn't cop it most of em rotted away anyway thats another story ain't it cheers Dinty
PS I love telling them it doesn't matter how much Aluminium you put on it, IT will not turn into a Landrover geez don't they react to that suggestion 8) 8) 8)

Dont they just love telling everyone about the problems they have heard of from a mate of a mate, yet when things like the land cruiser IFS come up and we kindly point out that the vehicles they have been telling us are so damn reliable and never need warranty work, all they can do is hang more **** on land rovers to make them selves feel better about them selves.

There is another letter in 4wd monthly on the next page of the letters section, it ammused the hell out of me cause the guy clearly has no idea, i sent two letter to them, from each of my emails, one nice one defending land rovers and another pointing out the stupidity of his letter

Here it is:

I just read the article about the lucky guy who has no problem with his disco. I just wish i could share his excitement. But guess what? Mine must have been built on sunday afternoon. Just a breif outline on the items that have failed; most of them under warranty so my dealer fixed them free of charge.

1) 4 new windscreens, as the subcontractor couldnt get it right and had to replace it at his expense three times- 15000km.
2) The front hub assembly needed replacing to keep the traction control, ABS and HDC working- 65000km
3) New radiator- 50000km
4) ACE failed and a tow truck got me to my dealer to get this one fixed- 90000km
5) Engine cut out at a water crossing the first time at 40cm depth- 25000km- the second time at top-of-headlight height- 80000km. The first time i could drive the car home, however the second time I needed a tow truck again to get me home. I had to pay for it too, as water damage is not covered by Land Rover customer assist. To take matters worse, each time i had to spend $220 to get the inside detailed. Apparently, water had gotten into the ECU and that caused the engine to cut out (well da). Well if land rover cant seal its computers, maybe it shouldnt stick them in the engine bay.
6) The rear air suspension blow-off container needed replacing- 80000km
7) The water pump failed- 100000km
8) The fuel pump failed whilst camping. This time for free, as i have the top-cover NRMA roadside assist- 1100000km.
9) While getting the fuel pump replaced, the dealer told me that my rear air suspension needs replacing soon.


The dealer has been great (now Purnell Motors, Anrcliffe). Most problems were fixed under warranty, and Purnell does its utmost to keep me happy. I just wish the guys a solihull those ethics when they were putting my car together.
I have never in my 20yr history of motoring, needed a tow truck to get me home. I service my cars to a T. I have gotten in the habit to get the tow truck driver to drop my car at the dealer on a sunday night, as my Disco usually fails when i'm miles from home. Guess what happens first thing monday morning? Sue the receptionist rings me to find out what went wrong this time. Thats service, but unfortunately for all the wrong reasons.
Guess what im doing now? What everyone told me 3.5 yrs ago: buy a patrol or Land Cruiser.



Now let me tear his letter appart, first of all the radiator, ACE, the hub assembly and maybe the water pump, he can whinge about I will give him that. Now for the stupid ones. First of all the lack of skill possesed by the windsreen specialst hire by purnell is hardly Land Rovers doing, or did they train him? The wet ECU thing, do I really need to go here, come on a the top of headlight height he is asking for trouble is he not, and buddy there is a reason why Land Rover Assist doesnt cover water damage, BECAUSE ITS NOT THE MANUFACTURERS FAULT WHEN THE ECU GETS WET. Now the fuel pump, all it takes is some dirty fuel, we cant really point the finger at land rover, unless it was land rover genuine fuel. And lastly the air suspension, the car has done over 100000km by this point, even 4wd Monthly said later in the same issue that air suspension on any brand becomes suss after 100000km, its called wear an tear, all suspension wears out. I think this guy needs a reality check, some of his gripes were genuine but others were just stupid miss directed rambling.

Well they are my thoughts any way. Matt