Are 4WDs too high-tech for the bush?

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Originally Posted by TerryO

I'll see your slightly damp bonnet and raise you.

The main difference between the two vehicles is the door seals in the D3 are rated by Land Rover to keep water out even at this depth where as the 110 would have been leaking like a sieve.
No big deal if you prefer a cold wet arse then that is your choice, personally I would rather be the bloke in the D3 sitting in a nice dry cabin listening to surround sound music on the Harmon Kardon stereo while ordering Thai home delivery on the blue tooth phone connection.

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And we have a winner.If you haven't seen it watch the top gear special on the L405 RR,James May drives it into a lake they test military vehicles in,it was winter and the bonnet was completely submerged,no RAI fitted and ice built up against the windscreen,straight through on road tyres. Pat

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Originally Posted by PAT303

Ever had it happen to you?,me neither. Pat

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No problems with fuel even on the old chip oil. Wonder how one of these new devices would like running on old chip fat we all know how much they like a little water in the fuel.

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Originally Posted by 460cixy

No problems with fuel even on the old chip oil. Wonder how one of these new devices would like running on old chip fat we all know how much they like a little water in the fuel.

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And you think that is actually good? ...:angel:

Water in the fuel is no big deal just fit a separator, end of problems so end of the big bad bandied about story you mob are relying on to prove how your superior your vehicles are.
If you like running your Fender on old chip oil with a liberal dose of water mixed in to prove how TUFF it is then that is your choice.

And if that is the best example you can give to justify that your vehicles are superior then if it makes you feel better I will say you win. Yes your old Dunger more than likely can run on discarded old chip oil with water mixed in, mine won't but who in their right mind would want to even try?

Vehicles are simply machines, all machines will break at some point due to multiple reasons. The more components you have the higher the probability of failure. So you run the risk of breakages no matter what you drive. Weather or not your failure is fixable in the bush is another matter

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Originally Posted by TerryO

And you think that is actually good? ...:angel:

Water in the fuel is no big deal just fit a separator, end of problems so end of the big bad bandied about story you mob are relying on to prove how your superior your vehicles are.
If you like running your Fender on old chip oil with a liberal dose of water mixed in to prove how TUFF it is then that is your choice.

And if that is the best example you can give to justify that your vehicles are superior then if it makes you feel better I will say you win. Yes your old Dunger more than likely can run on discarded old chip oil with water mixed in, mine won't but who in their right mind would want to even try?

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You mean to say these ultra new bush warriors don't have a decent water trap?

Nope, believe it or not land Rover don't fit true water separators, they have a warning system supposedly that I think is built into the tank, but that's not quite the same thing as a separate in line water separator.

Even our old SsangYong Rexton has one under the bonnet, its a pain to drain, but you can actually drain it without any tools.

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Originally Posted by TerryO

Nope, believe it or not land Rover don't fit true water separators, they have a warning system supposedly that I think is built into the tank, but that's not quite the same thing as a separate in line water separator.

Even our old SsangYong Rexton has one under the bonnet, its a pain to drain, but you can actually drain it without any tools.

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A lot of this new stuff seems to lack a decent water trap not just land rovers madness considering what h20 is capable of in late model pumps

I don't like the trend of companies building "off road" cars that you have trouble buying off road tyres for. I don't care about the rest of the so called problems. New cars are nice.

The challenge with water traps on a single rail diesel is that the tank contents are circulated to provide cooling and lubrication to the system at the rate of many litres per hour. If water gets into the system in a large amount such as refuelling from a contaminated tank then a seperator large enough to cope with this amount of water rapidly circulated through the system is necessary. Most common rail systems are designed to trap and alarm when the amount of water that may enter the system from when condensate is encountered.
It's not only common rails that have an issue with water either. When I was a young bloke we had to have all 3 injectors on our Fiat 540 tractor rebuilt due to water accumulation that exceeded the capacity of the trap ( or the ability of the operator to empty it) and my elderly neighbour on the farm has a Fordson Super Major sitting under a tree that the cost of repairing the injection system exceeds the value of the tractor.

Regards,
Tote

Standard practise here for farmers is to fit an additional filter/seperator to new utes.

But simply this is for the 1 percenters. The other 99% of owners don't know, don't care and never have a problem.

Do you really expect manufacturers to build for the last 1%?