Thread: Scottish Vote: What happens to the Union Flag if?

Originally Posted by Brian Hjelm

. Honest seafarers ....... who generously distributed their genes and names throughout the British Isles.

As seafarers quite often do, Bob

Originally Posted by Brian Hjelm

Norway and Denmark are super prosperous. The poms were nearly bankrupt a couple of years ago. Norway has saved their oil and gas money and it appears the UK has ****ed theirs up.

Scotland should get on well with the Scandinavian nations. The highlanders and islanders (and the Irish) are as much Norse as Gael thanks to my Scandinavian forebears. Honest seafarers and merchants who generously distributed their genes and names throughout the British Isles.

There's one way of looking at it ... LOL!!!


They Vikings were as bad as the Poms ... at least they had the decency to leave LOL!!!

Originally Posted by bob10

Are Norway & Denmark in the EU ? If so , they would be under the same restrictions of trading with Scotland, as England. There seems to be a lot of passion involved in this vote, but I haven't seen much thoughtful debate. Not the Scottish way, I guess. Bob

That's because the Scots are stupid Bob, everybody knows that ... it's been well documented .

Originally Posted by bob10

Something not thought of the EU. From an article in the Courier Mail;


" The EU has said if Scotland splits, it would have to join the ranks of eastern European nations applying for permission to join the EU - and there would be no guarantee it would be accepted. Being ousted from the EU markets could destroy business across Scotland.
There could even be barriers for England trading with an independent Scotland as agreements exist for England to trade with those from the EU first. The biggest issue for farmers is how Scotland would sit in Europe. There is a huge amount of European money coming into Scotland , not just in agriculture, but in roads, fisheries, industry ..and would Scotland be supported or have to wait to re-apply to the EU ?


That question has not really been answered by any one. It's uncertainty, & there doesn't appear to be a plan B. 'They just say to say yes, and we'll sort it all out, but that's not the basis for a rational decision., is it? You don't agree to buy a car, then discuss the price. ' There's more, it seems no one really knows what will happen after a yes vote. Bob

I guess this is all part of the fear campaign that will probably work.


In theory the worse case scenario would only happen if it's made to happen, if people or organisations choose to be divisive. It's hardly the actions of freedom loving democratic people.


Trade is a two way street and I'm sure it's in nobodies interest for Scotland to not be allowed to trade. Maybe Scotland would benefit from choosing to trade elsewhere anyway ... maybe that's the underlying fear too ... who knows?


Most of the issues could be rubber stamped and made to go away if an effort was made to do that.


I dislike the fact that a Country that is entitled to its autonomy (Just Like Australia) is getting bullied as part of others political agendas. England will be weakened and a lot of people/countries are worried about that, including a lot od Scots too I'd wager. I think that's the crux of it all.

Originally Posted by Celtoid

I guess this is all part of the fear campaign that will probably work.


In theory the worse case scenario would only happen if it's made to happen, if people or organisations choose to be divisive. It's hardly the actions of freedom loving democratic people.


Trade is a two way street and I'm sure it's in nobodies interest for Scotland to not be allowed to trade. Maybe Scotland would benefit from choosing to trade elsewhere anyway ... maybe that's the underlying fear too ... who knows?


Most of the issues could be rubber stamped and made to go away if an effort was made to do that.


I dislike the fact that a Country that is entitled to its autonomy (Just Like Australia) is getting bullied as part of others political agendas. England will be weakened and a lot of people/countries are worried about that, including a lot od Scots too I'd wager. I think that's the crux of it all.

Mate, I think you just don't get it. Passion over common sense. Tassall. Bob

The English Queen and Charlie might be not amused if their holiday homes were in another country, the precious little pearls as they are.

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

The English Queen and Charlie might be not amused if their holiday homes were in another country, the precious little pearls as they are.

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It may be worth remembering that their ancestor was king of Scotland first and became king of England later. It is very likely that the queen and her successors would remain queen of Scotland same as today. Same situation as Canada, Australia, NZ etc.

John

One little mentioned aspect is that a certain percentage of votes are likely to be cast along sectarian lines. The orange gathering tomorrow is likely to highlight this.

It amazes me just how many questions remain regarding the future of an independant Scotland post any decision to devolve. I would want these answered before making any decision or else the new state could find itself at the mercy of the next uk parliment, and more to the point the subject of a UKIP power grab on the back of the English having their nose out out of joint.

As far as integration into Europe goes an independent Scotland is unlikely to find much sympathy with a number of member states. After all if it were seen to be easy / a fait accompli it would be encouragement to regions such as Catalunya and Northern Italy, can't see that being popular with some existing states. It'll likely be back of the que for Scotland - behind Ukrane perhaps?

I'm with London Boy on this it will be interesting to see how it plays out and may well be to the benifit of the under invested and often overlooked Northern regions of England.

Personally I think it would be a shame and may well be seen by future generations as a mistake. But l guess we'll see.

Still, either way the Union flag won't change it'll just have more history attached to it.

The whole 'brave heart' notion in which some people choose to view this in, to me, appears ludicrous. Theses are very important decisions that will affect generations of UK citizens and are not to be taken lightly. So why lowere the voting age to 16!

Ian.