Scottish Vote: What happens to the Union Flag if?

**TerryO** · 21st September 2014, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by Chucaro

It is so simple answer that i cannot understand why some people cannot see it !

I would like to add that if the electorate was prepared to give a government full control then it should have majority in the senate.
No the case here, no mandate.

Then the majority should stop whinging when nothing gets done to fix the big problems and or some half baked compromise that achieves bugger all only gets up because some nong from the shooters or drivers party has the final say.

**TerryO** · 21st September 2014, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by incisor

and most would agree,

if they actually did after the election, exactly what they said they were going to do in the run up to the election.

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. Ignorance may deride it. But in the end, there it is.
- - - Winston Churchill

My Churchill quotes are better than your Churchill quotes ...

The Conservatives have since the election done exactly what any person who watches politics in this country new they were always going to do, no matter what they said prior to make sure they got elected.

No real surprises there and what does it say about a system that politicians feel they have to stretch the truth or leave important things out just to get elected even when they have a clear majority of the people wanting change?

I think the answer to that question is in that first Winston quote I used unfortunately.

**vnx205** · 21st September 2014, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by TerryO

After reading some of them a quote from Churchill came to find. ... The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.

Churchill also said, "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time."

Interestingly, he said it after losing the July 1945 election.

He may have lost the election, but obviously he hadn't lost his sense of humour.

**Chucaro** · 21st September 2014, 05:54 PM

This one is a good one IMO

Democracy is a device that insures we shall be governed no better than we deserve.
George Bernard Shaw

**vnx205** · 21st September 2014, 06:10 PM

There are more good democracy quotes here. Most of them display a healthy degree of cynicism.

Democracy Quotes - The Quotations Page

I will leave it for people to select their own favourite.

**incisor** · 21st September 2014, 07:48 PM

Originally Posted by TerryO

My Churchill quotes are better than your Churchill quotes ...

geez and there were two you could have thrown back at me..

oh well..

off for an ice cream

**bob10** · 21st September 2014, 07:52 PM

This is a well put together article, a must read, IMO, Bob

BBC News - Viewpoint: What now for Britishness?

**incisor** · 21st September 2014, 07:55 PM

**Redback** · 22nd September 2014, 10:34 AM

“On its world, the people are people. The leaders are lizards. The people hate the lizards and the lizards rule the people.”
“Odd,” said Arthur, “I thought you said it was a democracy.”
“I did,” said Ford. “It is.”
“So,” said Arthur, hoping he wasn’t sounding ridiculously obtuse, “why don’t the people get rid of the lizards?”
“It honestly doesn’t occur to them,” said Ford. “They’ve all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they’ve voted in more or less approximates to the government they want.”
“You mean they actually vote for the lizards?”
“Oh yes,” said Ford with a shrug, “of course.”
“But,” said Arthur, going for the big one again, “why?”
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**Celtoid** · 22nd September 2014, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by bob10

The World was watching, Bob

Especially;
Catalonia, Quebec, Kashmir, Tibet & Xinjiang, South Tirol [ Italy], Venice, Po river valley [ Italy], Romania [ Szeklerland] ,

and the vote has implications for when/ if the UK has a referendum on leaving the EU.
BBC News - How Scotland's 'No' vote resonates around the world

There is some very good reading here and some very interesting points.

It seems intriguing that so many 'watchers' (being other interested parties from around the world) state that they couldn't believe that Cameron, the British Government ever allowed the Referendum to happen. I think there is now some cynicism beyond the Scots, about the validity of the offer.

I think it's very possible that it was a nothing more than a Dog & Pony Show trying to gain votes. Where there was never any concept that the British Government would have to concede anything, let alone a whole Country.

Then the panic set in ... promises made ....and now it looks like there are already words of retraction. Go Figure.

1.6+M voted yes ....but you'd be stupid to think that many more voted no, only because of the concern, the threat!

Another very interesting point from the German Chancellor, or words connected to that story. Is the UK thinking about pulling out of the EU completely? I'd heard rumours for years ... plus the fact (which I think was smart) that they never fully engaged in some areas ... the currency being one.

Interesting that the whole 'trade' threat was used against Scotland, when the UK may be considering leaving anyway .... who are they going to trade with, if the EU is the only answer?

Thoughts?

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