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Thread: CRD Injectors - Has anyone had any Problems with them?

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    Question CRD Injectors - Has anyone had any Problems with them?

    Gents....

    Coming from a Toyota background and having concerns over the CRD Injector problems that some Toyota owners have had, I thought that since I'm considering what my next vehicle may be that I would ask the question here as to whether there has been any problems with the CRD Injectors on LR engines from the TD5 engines to the latest CRD engines?

    Knowing Australia has a poor fuel quality history, it has me a little concerned as I'm assuming there is a massive COST to replace the CRD injectors from being damaged from bad fuel, etc.....

    Does LR suggest in the servicing that they are replaced at some specific point in the servicing schedule? (ie: @ 150,000kms ??)

    I would like to hear from anyone that has had any sort of issues with the CRD injectors......& also with Pumps I guess I should add also.....


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    I have not had issues with the injectors.
    There is no specific replacement period on the TD5.
    Yes water contamination can cause issues.
    The TD5 has a water sensor on the filter and a drain point for when this happens.
    Pumps can fail but will normally give plenty of warning first.
    Defenders are expected to get poor fuel compared to the Disco or Rangie, don't know if this means they cope better or not.

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    TD5 is not common rail, have a read of Chop's issue with bad fuel in his Puma.
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    TD5 does not have CRD injectors.
    They are unitary injectors which are energised by the camshaft and produce their own pressure ( except for the 35psi or so controlled by the Fuel Pressure Regulator). There is a spill valve controlled by the ECU which determines the fuel usage.

    I would think that the TD5 injectors would be less likely to have water through them as the fuel filter has a water trap and alarm, much like the "water watch" alarm that people add to Jap 4x4s. In addition the fuel is heated and recirculated so the injector is not the final end point for the fuel .
    I note the ECU can trim injector's duration while operating , so I assume the Crank position sensor measures engine acceleration by cylinder. The ECU advises trim by cylinder to readers such as Nanocom, so a fault is reported if one arises.( or the engine stops from a flat battery and you get all sorts of injector failure messages)

    Questions on this forum suggest that they give little trouble except for the sealing washers and orings, although I note someone posted about a failure last week.
    From everything I have read they do not fail at 100-130KK like the Toyota injectors.
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    Had two vehicles with CRD,both used all over the outback,not a single issue.Toyota's problems stem from injectors being out of spec from new and very cheap electric plugs.They also for some reason have problems with the ECU not accepting the injector codes,thats been a problem for 10 years or more.Denso don't have the quality control of Bosch IMHO. Pat

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    I have a neighbor that recently purchased a 2010 Playdough. Not long after the injectors failed. Hugh $s to fix but lucky for him it was under used car warranty.

    A bit later on they failed again and water in fuel was blamed. It needed injectors and pump. He claimed it on his insurance and they excepted it.

    In hindsight he said if he had his time again he would get a different vehicle.

    He went for the Tojo based on their so called good reputation.

    As for the TD5, from all my research and owning one now with 190,000 on it,
    I reckon the Td5 system is the best of both worlds. Has the benefits of common rail without the expense.

    I believe that TD5 injectors are more forgiving that common rail and are streets ahead with pricing if needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by loanrangie View Post
    have a read of Chop's issue with bad fuel in his Puma.
    Ask Dullbird also about her experience.
    Dave.

    I was asked " Is it ignorance or apathy?" I replied "I don't know and I don't care."


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    Quote Originally Posted by d2dave View Post
    I have a neighbor that recently purchased a 2010 Playdough. Not long after the injectors failed. Hugh $s to fix but lucky for him it was under used car warranty.

    A bit later on they failed again and water in fuel was blamed. It needed injectors and pump. He claimed it on his insurance and they excepted it.

    In hindsight he said if he had his time again he would get a different vehicle.

    He went for the Tojo based on their so called good reputation.

    As for the TD5, from all my research and owning one now with 190,000 on it,
    I reckon the Td5 system is the best of both worlds. Has the benefits of common rail without the expense.

    I believe that TD5 injectors are more forgiving that common rail and are streets ahead with pricing if needed.
    I think water is blamed for every single fuel issue,it seems to me to be the standard excuse for the masses. Pat

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    Quote Originally Posted by loanrangie View Post
    TD5 is not common rail, have a read of Chop's issue with bad fuel in his Puma.
    Just finished reading his post..... It seems the problem is still a little unknown and still not 100% sorted. It doesn't seem like its a common problem but for me a good reason to install a Aux Fuel filter.

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    The main killer of CRD systems is water - the standard fuel filters work OK for particles but not water.

    I am not sure adding an extra fuel filter will help all that well for the problems being discussed because if fuel can get through the filter so can water.

    By all means fit an extra filter if it will filter out particles better than the original and not just clog up, but for water you need a large catch water bowl like Water Watch or a combined unit with a water alarm fitted.

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