They'd like to kill us

Whereas in the past, Middle Eastern countries have supported radicals with funds [ Al Qaida, Taliban etc] this time they are a little nervous. ISIS knows no borders , and have elected them selves as leaders of the Muslim world, a philosophy not accepted by any outside of ISIS. The UN has done good work in getting Middle Eastern Governments who supported radicals in the past with money, to declare they will not support ISIS. However, rich individuals in these countries are supporting ISIS with funds. They are the next to be convinced they must stop. One way , or the other. ISIS making threats against Australians is like the school bully, " If you go to the headmaster, I'll bash you ". It's a sign of desperation. I say, let the pay back take it's course, it will take time, but it will happen


Australia will not be breaking international law if we attack targets in Iraq, Iraq has requested us to help. We should not fight in Syria, until the legal side of it has been sorted. Australia has to be seen to be above board, in all we do over there. This will be the greatest test of Australian / Muslim relations in this country. Interesting times ahead. Hopefully we will come through this a stronger, united community. Bob

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Originally Posted by mikehzz

That's the problem, you are trying to tell them right from wrong and they don't agree with you. Therefore the only resolution is to nuke the place. Having fundamental disagreement for 2000 years hasn't worked, nobody is blinking.

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I agree drop the bomb kill am all turn the sand to glass job done :twisted:

One thing that bothers me about the proposed anti-terrorism laws is why they are reassuring us that the new laws will help to stop terrorism activities when the authorities are not capable to control those active terrorists that are in the Goulburn "high security"jail :mad:

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Despite being given the strictest level of inmate classification, the AA classification introduced in 2008 especially for terrorists, convicts including Mohammed Elomar, Mazen Touma and Faheem Lodhi are free to communicate with the outside world through *letters, phone calls and visits.
Previously unseen pictures of the terrorists’ jail *conditions show they have televisions, natural light and spacious cells.

As long as we give these people rights we have no hope :mad:
Cell block terror: Jailed terrorists continue jihadi activities from inside Goulburn Supermax

We must remember that we live in fear and intimidated by the threat of violence and bloodshed here at home.
We must accept that and be calm and submissive.
We must not think that it works both ways and put the shoe on the other foot. That we are told is not the Australian way.

Personally I would like to see thousands of bones dug up and pointed the other way,
Let the scum know that they risk bringing down the roof upon their heads.
It does not have to be a violent beginning, just take our lead from them.
Thret and intimidation works both ways but at the first sign the protectors would go all out to defend and keep them safe.
When we start dying on our streets, remember The Australian Way.

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Originally Posted by 460cixy

I agree drop the bomb kill am all turn the sand to glass job done :twisted:

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Nup.
There are other peoples and cultural groups in the Middle East who you would be destroying along with the ones that you want to get rid of. These groups have no antipathy to our way of life except where our governments interfere and meddle to secure influence and trade.

Western governments need to be looking after their own and their people's interests- no one else is going to.

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Originally Posted by Chucaro

One thing that bothers me about the proposed anti-terrorism laws is why they are reassuring us that the new laws will help to stop terrorism activities when the authorities are not capable to control those active terrorists that are in the Goulburn "high security"jail :mad:

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Despite being given the strictest level of inmate classification, the AA classification introduced in 2008 especially for terrorists, convicts including Mohammed Elomar, Mazen Touma and Faheem Lodhi are free to communicate with the outside world through *letters, phone calls and visits.
Previously unseen pictures of the terrorists’ jail *conditions show they have televisions, natural light and spacious cells.

As long as we give these people rights we have no hope :mad:
Cell block terror: Jailed terrorists continue jihadi activities from inside Goulburn Supermax

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Sadly it is the same "rights" that many on here are so worried about affecting which enables what you are complaining about to happen.


If there were not afforded the same rights as other prisoners then many on here would be screaming from that roof tops that Australia is abusing their rights. Hell they would probably get Govt legal counsel and threaten to sew up their lips and such.

Firstly, I don't pretend to have the answers, as some groups do ;)

Unfortunately they (extreme muslims/moslems ) are winning, as the root of their belief still exists as a religion here. Their own religion can’t control them because it is scared of them, so they have won that front.

Our government and our society still allows their formulating religion and quran to be given the privileged status of a religion and the tax haven this brings, furthering the recruiting opportunity and radicalisation we see increasing.

We are becoming more of a police state with such increasing funding causing a drain on our economy and eventually a further decline in social conditions as other priorities such as health, education and infrastructure become less important than our ‘safety’ from muslim terrorists. Hence they’ve won as we have chosen to recognise their challenge to our way of life and engage in their battle to destroy or convert all infidels.

So, if anyone thinks that eventually we will overcome them, look at Israel and all of their efforts – compulsory military service, walls of defence, civilians armed with automatic rifles etc…. and they still get blown up by rockets and suicide bombers. Given this, I’d like to know how we can allow the muslim religion to be accepted, any religion that develops this type of ideology justifying killing innocent people should be outlawed, if we can create a law preventing bikies associating, why not do the same with muslims.

Finally I know that some will say that there are good ones that do great things, well sadly it’s a case of make a decision now to allow it to continue and get worse, or send the message that they’ve used all their chances and enough is enough, its banned and all who ignore the ban are dealt with according to our law. Either way, a police state is a change from our peaceful and relaxed past but so is a state of fear, there’s two ways to react, one of them ends the cause and the other creates a tolerance to the continuous threats and rewards them by sustaining the formulating ideology.

To be fair, I’d be happy to see all religions reviewed in a referendum or similar and certain limitations proposed on tax free property and income for them, this must be a drain on government revenue, accepting that some charity emerges from them, but the economy and management of such is questionable IMHO.

Any complaints, then read my disclaimer…


edit- Not suggesting anymore violence or killing, or ethnic cleansing, just a rational approach to meet the threats by peacefuly reviewing our nation's acceptability of the religious ideology that gave birth to the jihadist philosophy and actions.

Seems to me that more than one country have enough for start bombarding ISIS positions in Syria.

US begins bombing ISIL positions in Syria

Not sure of some of the comments here to be honest. Killing them all is not an answer in itself, Do we mean the extremists or all Muslims? Most are OK, I have a lot of Muslim friends and they certainly wish me no harm. The extremists on the other hand I have no time for and agree they do need to be eliminated.
Having said that the Muslim religion is not on its own and a lot of Christians require the same. So much blood has been shed in the name of Christianity over the years and continues to occur.
The thing that does amaze me if you look at it from a non religious view point is all religions are very similar, but we cannot get along. If we truly all believe in our religions we would believe in peace, not domination of our religion at any cost. But having said that religion is also used as an excuse by governments and dictators alike to further their own cause and commit atrocities.
On the basis of beliefs do we eliminate all Muslims, Chinese, Japanese, Indonesian, Indian, Hindu, other Christian opposing views?

Watch out ASIO may be monitoring.:angel:

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so respecting their right to behead innocent people will fix it? I actually disagree more with you for suggesting that we should respect those acts.


They don't agree with our way of thinking so we should step out of the way. At what point do we (western world) react. Just before of after they nuke the place like they did in Lebanon.

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Fine, have another war over it. It would be a shame to let them sort it out themselves. You aren't worth arguing with if you twist a comment about respecting a whole race/religion into the sum total of respecting acts of beheading. You may as well say all Muslims behead people. I'm saying we butt out and let them sort it out instead of being unwanted, overbearing, intrusive arseholes. We (the West) have a long history of that.