No Smoking in NSW National Parks

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Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh

There must be a lot more smokers than I thought.

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I meant that most smokers are responsible, but a minority are irresponsible. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

I meant that most smokers are responsible, but a minority are irresponsible. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

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That was quite clear. I was pointing out there were an awful lot of people smoking and acting irresponsible so there must be an extremely large number of the population that must smoke.
I don't know whether you notice the cigarette butts littering the ground but there are quite a lot of them. Especially around car parks where smokers empty their vehicles ash tray on the ground before driving off.

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Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh

That was quite clear. I was pointing out there were an awful lot of people smoking and acting irresponsible so there must be an extremely large number of the population that must smoke.
I don't know whether you notice the cigarette butts littering the ground but there are quite a lot of them. Especially around car parks where smokers empty their vehicles ash tray on the ground before driving off.

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Well I wont hold back. The majority of smokers are irresponsible. Never have I seen one put out a cigarette and walk to a bin that was more than 3 steps away from them, they'll just step it into the ground. Their car ashtrays are used for coins, and I believe they are the major reason for bushfires. I work on the roads, and can be 200km from the nearest town, but can still find a large amount of cigarette butts in the near vicinity. Have you ever come across a smoker that carries a portable ashtray with them so they don't have to litter? Me either. You can only imagine what kind of squaller some of them actually live in. Not one ounce of support for them from me!

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Originally Posted by Nat111

Have you ever come across a smoker that carries a portable ashtray with them so they don't have to litter? Me either.

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Oddly enough, yes. My son used to carry one when he was out and about on his bike. Maybe we beat anti-littering into him. :D

I used to carry a butt bin with me when I smoked too. But then I realised smoking made you smell like arse and deterred most members of the opposite sex. :D Gave up quick smart after that ;)

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Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh

That was quite clear. I was pointing out there were an awful lot of people smoking and acting irresponsible so there must be an extremely large number of the population that must smoke.
I don't know whether you notice the cigarette butts littering the ground but there are quite a lot of them. Especially around car parks where smokers empty their vehicles ash tray on the ground before driving off.

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The currently published rates for smoking in Australia are: 20.4% for males and 16.3% for females (http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/~/4125.0main+features3320Jan%202013 )

I agree with Mick, if the majority of smokers are responsible, then the small minority who are irresponsible must have a huge chain smoking habit.

Actually I think a lot more smokers are responsible than DiscoMick admits:

• Responsible for cigarette butt litter
• Responsible for toxins entering the environment.
• Responsible for a significant proportion of human causes of bushfires
• Responsible for a significant number of house fires

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Originally Posted by Nat111

Well I wont hold back. The majority of smokers are irresponsible.

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its simple.
their satisfaction over everything else.

Sounds good in theory but only a very few will take notice and how will they enforce it.
Smoking is banned on the train platforms in Sydney and they make regular announcements warning of fines with signs everywhere etc but there are still half a dozen people smoking at the end of the platform where I catch the train every day. Never seen any of the Station staff or Transit cops approach them so can't see how a NPWS ranger is going to enforce a no smoking policy in a National park.

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Originally Posted by Discomark

Sounds good in theory but only a very few will take notice and how will they enforce it.
Smoking is banned on the train platforms in Sydney and they make regular announcements warning of fines with signs everywhere etc but there are still half a dozen people smoking at the end of the platform where I catch the train every day. Never seen any of the Station staff or Transit cops approach them so can't see how a NPWS ranger is going to enforce a no smoking policy in a National park.

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Take down their particulars and issue the fine.
They may find themselves inconveniently walking when the Sherifs stop them for a chat.

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Originally Posted by Discomark

Sounds good in theory but only a very few will take notice and how will they enforce it.
Smoking is banned on the train platforms in Sydney and they make regular announcements warning of fines with signs everywhere etc but there are still half a dozen people smoking at the end of the platform where I catch the train every day. Never seen any of the Station staff or Transit cops approach them so can't see how a NPWS ranger is going to enforce a no smoking policy in a National park.

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Why would station staff or transit cops approach anyone smoking? They have no legal authority to ask anyone to put out their cigarette, and in fact doing so could place them at risk of abuse or assault and is an OH&S risk. They are directed specifically NOT TO.


The only people who can ask someone to stop smoking in a public place are Police Officers or NSW Health Inspectors, as the legislation is a health initiative, not a public transport initiative.


As NPWS Rangers will be authorised to issue fines within national parks (as they already are now, for other offences), so they will no doubt be approaching people and handing out fines.