No Smoking in NSW National Parks

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Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

You can't consider the balance sheet on smoking without the social costs, the fact that smokers almost always end up with some form of lung disease cant be discounted.

Lung diseases increase the numbers of days the worker takes off, that lost production is a loss of tax revenue, when the lung diseased person is no longer able to work they go on welfare an expense on tax revenue. That other persons have to stop work to care for a person disabled by smoking related lung disease is a loss of production and tax revenue, they go on a disability support pension another expense on tax revenue. If the person didn't smoke in the first place they wouldn't have the smoking related lung disease and both they and their partner would not be a burden on tax revenue.

The rest of your argument is irrelevant and nothing to do with the smoking and National Parks discussion.

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You can sway the figures with whatever propaganda you wish, I was replying simply to the costs on the health system....your now adding bits to suit your argument;)......simple question, what is the direct cost from smoking on the health system? another simple one, what is the excise raised by smokers?...


The rest of my waffle is completely relevant, but its only applicable if you look at the bigger picture, when rules and bans are imposed, its another freedom lost, you may not choose to partake in that freedom, but its a step closer to having an effect on one in which you do

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Originally Posted by rovercare

You can sway the figures with whatever propaganda you wish, I was replying simply to the costs on the health system....your now adding bits to suit your argument;)......

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No you didn't you talked about theoretical cost. I responded with theoretical cost. (see below)

You didn't mention healthcare!

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Originally Posted by rovercare

Actually, smokers input more into the tax system than the theoritical cost from what I am lead to believe, also smoking related illness is very much like speed related accidents, the box gets ticked a lot more often than it should

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Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

No you didn't you talked about theoretical cost. I responded with theoretical cost. (see below)

You didn't mention healthcare!

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Insert demeaning comment here about referencing all material..

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Originally Posted by justinc

...And responsible for the high costs of the public health system...:mad::mad:


jc

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Originally Posted by rovercare

Actually, smokers input more into the tax system than the theoritical cost from what I am lead to believe, also smoking related illness is very much like speed related accidents, the box gets ticked a lot more often than it should

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Add enlarged red text for effect:)

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Originally Posted by boa

Well done for teaching your club and the young that assault, is the best way, to solve a problem. We'll done in improving the skill of bullish way's. You should be very pleased with you're self. But I feel sorry for the message you sent to the young.

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Its a rugby league club. Enough said.

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Originally Posted by rovercare

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Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

No you didn't you talked about theoretical cost. I responded with theoretical cost. (see below)

You didn't mention healthcare!

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Originally Posted by justinc

...And responsible for the high costs of the public health system...:mad::mad:

jc

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Add enlarged red text for effect:)

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Hmm

So now you're Justin Cooper.

What does Justin think about that?

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Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

Hmm

So now you're Justin Cooper.

What does Justin think about that?

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You really don't get it, clutching at straws:D

If you look back you will see JC's post in which I quoted was what I replied to, until you took it upon yourself to reply to mine, not including the original reference, being JC's comment in regards to cost on the public health system

I thought it was simple:)

EDIT: and in regards to being the legendary JC, unless he has shot up a bit since I last seen Mr Cooper, I may have to loose a few inches in height, albeit I've got the beard

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Originally Posted by 303gunner

Go to an open area of the station, or to the entrance and they cannot issue a fine.

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Are you sure about that?
From Monday 7 January 2013, an amendment to the law will extend smoking bans to all public transport bus stops and stations in NSW.
Smoking is already prohibited on trains and covered stations and this ban will now be extended to include all platforms and interchanges, regardless of whether they are covered or not.
Updated station announcements and additional smoke-free signage will be rolled out to all stations early next year.
The amendment to the Smoke-free Environment Act 2000 also bans smoking at a number of other outdoor areas including near children's playground equipment, spectator areas at public sports grounds and public swimming pools.
No smoking at public transport stops and stations - CityRail

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Originally Posted by rovercare

....EDIT: and in regards to being the legendary JC, unless he has shot up a bit since I last seen Mr Cooper, I may have to loose a few inches in height, albeit I've got the beard

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I really don't want to debate the pedabntry of all this. I responded exactly to your post. Not to Justin's post just to your post.

I didn't indicate that Justin was anything other than not being you.

Land Rover owner and a beard - you must drive a Defender ! :D :D

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Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

I really don't want to debate the pedabntry of all this. I responded exactly to your post. Not to Justin's post just to your post.

I didn't indicate that Justin was anything other than not being you.

Land Rover owner and a beard - you must drive a Defender ! :D :D

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My post was in response to Justin's post....that's why I had quoted it, you should of read the lot for continuity, as opposed to take it out of context then tell me I'm wrong, without my post being in the correct context you could misconstrue it how you wish.....I don't do pedant, I do fact

You took it upon yourself to add content and then tell me what I wasn't referencing.....which quite clearly I had

Simple I thought:p

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Originally Posted by JamesB71

Its a rugby league club. Enough said.

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Well on the path of being thugs, prostitutes or politicians, or combination thereof :wasntme: