The Strain On Defence Force Families.

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Originally Posted by Brian Hjelm

Bob, give it a rest. The majority of us can only take so much Colonel Blimp, flag waving, bugle blowing, "I served my country." "I did my duty". So you were a mostly peace time sailor. Made a good living. Never in harm's way. Will probably pick up a TPI pension soon for no good reason. So lay off the "poor bugger me".

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Thank you Brian. For finally showing your true colours. A very typical public servant. Now, let me answer your rant. One piece at a time. Colonel Blimp? No, Chief Petty Officer. Flag waving? WTF? Yes, I served my country, and I did my duty. And I'm not ashamed to say that. What is your problem with that? Mostly peace time sailor? what is that all about? Never in harms way? Wrong again. Probably pick up a TPI pension? now I know where you are really coming from. POOR BUGGER ME? I feel sorry for you, Take your jealous public service attitude, and put yourself into harms way. BTW, during our time on the gunline, the ship I served on fired 9,712 rounds of 5 inch rounds,, & steamed 39,857 miles during the deployment. Harms way,? you just wouldn't know. Bob

I think it is time, Brian, for those who think I am a Colonel blimp, to identify them selves. So I can talk to all your friends. In a nice polite way , of course. But you & your friends will have to bring facts with you. I say to the moderators, I have blotted the copy book, with some outbursts of anger, and been punished,rightly. I take the time now to apologise to those I have offended. But I will not be belittled, by some jealous public servant, for doing my duty for 21 years. And belittled for no reason. I know I should move on, and ignore the fools, but, I am part of a group of people who have served this country, and on behalf of them, I say, you have no right . Simple. Bob

Mods, please.

This is out of control.

I'm still a serving member and all this reminds me of is, "you thought your time was tough, well let me tell you of the time I had" bloody scenario.

Pull ya bloody heads in fellas.
It won't affect you.
Stop the ****ing contest.
Get on with it. Isn't that what soldiering is.

Adapt, improvise, overcome.
And as always.

FOLLOW THE SAPPER!

Will

Nah, waste of breath to buy in

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Originally Posted by Will Wallace

Mods, please.

This is out of control.

I'm still a serving member and all this reminds me of is, "you thought your time was tough, well let me tell you of the time I had" bloody scenario.

Pull ya bloody heads in fellas.
It won't affect you.
Stop the ****ing contest.
Get on with it. Isn't that what soldiering is.

Adapt, improvise, overcome.
And as always.

FOLLOW THE SAPPER!

Will

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Will, I understand what you are saying. But there comes a time when you have to stand up & be counted. I will not tolerate any more, personal attacks against my military service. You can make light of it if you will, but I am sick of turning the other cheek. This is not a contest, not by me, anyhow. I did not serve for 21 years to have my service belittled in such a manner. However, I understand everyone has a point of view. In this case, I will agree to disagree. But there are some views I can not respect. Bob

Guys this really isn't the place, strain on defence force families is the topic here, you can surely put it aside , maybe even start another thread, to keep this important aspect of life connected to a member of the forces discussion on track, without any agro. Thanks

Jc

And we are still no wiser as to what the actual current entitlements of ADF people are and as such still unable to make any informed comparison.


What I do know is that when there is a reluctance to share such info, it is in most cases because it doesn't support the claim being made.


Length of service, family history, belittling reservists and how many guns were fired is all very interesting but totally irrelevant in explaining why the 1.5% is inadequate.


Having said that, maybe the renumeration system should be overhauled with the pay rate directly relative to number of bullets fired in anger !

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Originally Posted by justinc

Guys this really isn't the place, strain on defence force families is the topic here, you can surely put it aside , maybe even start another thread, to keep this important aspect of life connected to a member of the forces discussion on track, without any agro. Thanks

Jc

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Certainly. Point taken, Bob

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Originally Posted by nugge t

but totally irrelevant in explaining why the 1.5% is inadequate.
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It seems universal now, from the head of BHP, down to the Gardener, that consideration as to whether the starting point is adequate or fair is not the issue, rather it is how much more one can squeeze from the ''system''.

I hesitate to comment on the ADF as a non serving member, but to me, the key issues are lack of long term Career planning that take in account family needs as far as possible, and totally inadequate post service care, be it physical and psychological, that are causing Families pain.

Broadly speaking i don't know why all Commonwealth employees , P.M, ADF, APS are not on a single scale that recognizes their unique requirements, so if the P.M gets 5%, so does the newest recruit.

This is my first post in this thread.
I see a lot of "Sabre Rattlimg" by the usual suspects.
I have never been a member of the Armed Forces, & I admire those that are.
Talk about danger, putting oneself in harms way, etc etc will not wash with me. You join the "ARMED FORCES" etc, if you don't want to be involved in that stuff, well simply, you shouldn't join. On the other hand, I say that those that do get involved, and get "in harms way" are very brave people, & deserve respect, and they have mine.....BIG TIME.
There is an exception...National Servicemen? They did not join of their own free will, they were conscripted, & for sure, in some cases, their lives were "disrupted" through no fault of their own. They also have my respect, for different reasons.
Like I said, I've never been in the services, but I have relatives and friends that are,...in the Navy, and the AirForce. And they are very happy. The Navy guy is married, spends a lot of time at sea,..loves the job,..has no complaints. I've a relative, & also a friend in the AirForce, again both very happy (both married), one has spent a lot of time in Afghanistan,....that's his job he says, and He loves it.
They've got no real issues with the pay structure, or the benefits. like us all I guess, they'd like more,....BUT WHO DOESN'T?
Pickles.