The Strain On Defence Force Families.

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29th November 2014, 01:26 PM
nugge t

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Originally Posted by garrycol

Many organisations do get automatic adjustments - the Public service certainly does and when I worked as a labourer at the Newcastle Steel Works over 40 years ago we did. Note that the adjustments in the Military are in recognition of increased skills learned on the job - an is unsually 0 years, over 1 year and over 2 years - after that there are no more increases until a promotion is achieved or you get higher skilled - usually a category change to get onto a higher pay level.

The average Full Time wage in Aust in 2013/14 was $78,800 and they averaged a 2.3% pay rise in that year - ABS figures. The average soldier, airman or sailor gets a lot less.

According to the pay rates it is automatic from year 1 to year 10 unless I am reading it wrong.

http://www.google.com.au/url'sa=t&rc...E_rZKwawzVUV-g
29th November 2014, 01:38 PM
101RRS

Yes you are reading it wrong - the increments area is the vertical column with the heading Increment.

The horizontal numbers are the pay rates for the different skill grades within a given rank.

For example an electronic engineer may be on pay grade 10 but a Steward may be on pay grade 2 - even though they are the same rank and have the same time in rank.
29th November 2014, 02:07 PM
nugge t

so a private with 10 years experience doing the same as when he entered can only get to the increment 2 rate?

Is there something which explains the Increment 1 to 10 jobs? No wonder anyone can understand all this.

What is the Service Allowance - $13,118 pa?
29th November 2014, 02:28 PM
Andrew D

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Originally Posted by frantic

According to your whs act quote everytime a adf person is ordered of base in Afghanistan, or the RAN are ordered to stop pirates their commander is in breach.

You missed the point.

I stated in an earlier post the possibility for not following a direction may lead to visiting a jail and that this possibility exists for the majority of people in their chosen workplace as they are accountable to this Act. Hence the reference to the WHS.

ADF personnel go to jail, so do civilians. You are making the point that this is not reasonable.

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Originally Posted by frantic

Officer gives order, control that point, they disobey = far more than 2 years jail

Is this not reasonable assuming due process is followed?

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Originally Posted by frantic

Command Officer orders x cargo moved to y on 45deg day, disobey 2 years jail.

Is this not reasonable assuming due process is followed?

There is again a lacking of context so your response could go anywhere.

Regards
Andrew
29th November 2014, 04:14 PM
Bigbjorn

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Originally Posted by bob10

Thank you Brian. For finally showing your true colours. A very typical public servant. Now, let me answer your rant. One piece at a time. Colonel Blimp? No, Chief Petty Officer. Flag waving? WTF? Yes, I served my country, and I did my duty. And I'm not ashamed to say that. What is your problem with that? Mostly peace time sailor? what is that all about? Never in harms way? Wrong again. Probably pick up a TPI pension? now I know where you are really coming from. POOR BUGGER ME? I feel sorry for you, Take your jealous public service attitude, and put yourself into harms way. BTW, during our time on the gunline, the ship I served on fired 9,712 rounds of 5 inch rounds,, & steamed 39,857 miles during the deployment. Harms way,? you just wouldn't know. Bob

Bob, why are you so hostile to public servants? After all, were you not in government service your entire working life? twenty-one years in the navy and 20 years in the post office. Total job security in the navy and the post office was not the sort of organisation that sacked staff. I joined the public service aged almost 50 when I thought I was getting fed up and too old for the 6 day 60-70 hour weeks I was working in my successful machine shop. 32 years in the private sector, sometimes an employee and sometimes self-employed. No job security in the private sector until recently with the unfair dismissal legislation. Out the door on a minutes notice was common. Many firms had no superannuation schemes until the compulsory superannuation levy.
29th November 2014, 05:43 PM
frantic

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Originally Posted by Andrew D

You missed the point.

I stated in an earlier post the possibility for not following a direction may lead to visiting a jail and that this possibility exists for the majority of people in their chosen workplace as they are accountable to this Act. Hence the reference to the WHS.

ADF personnel go to jail, so do civilians. You are making the point that this is not reasonable.

Is this not reasonable assuming due process is followed?

Is this not reasonable assuming due process is followed?

There is again a lacking of context so your response could go anywhere.

Regards
Andrew

No Andrew, your trying to bury the message in bull****. Want to act like a lawyer go to court.
Unfortunately your words where no jail originally, edit later.
Any civil employee told by their boss in 40degree heat to dig a pit for poo, can walk, any civilian who gets a call from his wife, kids in hospital, baby's here etc,can jump in the car and go home. At worst they will lose their job or a days pay. In the ADF you can go to jail. In every other profession you can have some form of industrial action, cops included( fine ban anyone?), not the adf( how about no facing the camera whenever a pollie is there . If they tried they would again be potentially up for jail.
Maybe in your head this is no different to a negligent act but to most people and in reality it's a major difference in commitment.
If you or anyone goes on strike or stops work, as long as it does not put anyone at risk you cannot go to jail. If a soldier stops work he can. Is that clear enough.
Just like you comment on deaths in service relative to cops, what a line. Do you exclude 1900-1946? We had cops from 1856. Since 2007 there have been 41 adf deaths by enemy fire in Afghanistan with about 1500 deployed. Compare that to about 4 cops in Vic over 25 years and 12,000 cops.
29th November 2014, 06:03 PM
TerryO

Frantic keep it civil please. You know what the rules are so abide by them thank you.
29th November 2014, 07:03 PM
bob10

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Originally Posted by Brian Hjelm

Bob, why are you so hostile to public servants? After all, were you not in government service your entire working life? twenty-one years in the navy and 20 years in the post office. Total job security in the navy and the post office was not the sort of organisation that sacked staff. I joined the public service aged almost 50 when I thought I was getting fed up and too old for the 6 day 60-70 hour weeks I was working in my successful machine shop. 32 years in the private sector, sometimes an employee and sometimes self-employed. No job security in the private sector until recently with the unfair dismissal legislation. Out the door on a minutes notice was common. Many firms had no superannuation schemes until the compulsory superannuation levy.

You miss the point. I am not hostile to public servants , I find your attitude to service men & women offensive. Bob
29th November 2014, 07:19 PM
AndyG

Bob,
So posts 101 & 102 were not a general splat against Public Servants, but an individual, in that case I misread.

Diverging, this thread made me realize that 10% of our expat employees have suffered a life threatening injury in the last two years. Axe to the back of the head and a steel spike through lung and spine.probabilty in 1st year in country is 25%.
I been here 53 years so my odds shd be ok.

So Civilian life can have its moments too ! Cattle dog in the car improves the odds too:D
29th November 2014, 07:38 PM
bob10

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Originally Posted by AndyG

Bob,
So posts 101 & 102 were not a general splat against Public Servants, but an individual, in that case I misread.

Diverging, this thread made me realize that 10% of our expat employees have suffered a life threatening injury in the last two years. Axe to the back of the head and a steel spike through lung and spine.probabilty in 1st year in country is 25%.
I been here 53 years so my odds shd be ok.

So Civilian life can have its moments too ! Cattle dog in the car improves the odds too:D

Andy, I have nothing against Public servants, civilians, [ I am one] Just will stand up for our servicemen & women, every time. That brings down the wrath of a certain few members, who have their own agenda, it would seem. Don't knock the servicemen & women, I will stand up every time. Foolish me , I guess. But that is me. Bob

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