The Strain On Defence Force Families.

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Originally Posted by justinc

That is very sad Ean, incredibly harsh and unnecessary. I feel for you :(. Hopefully that is a rare occurrence.
My younger Brother left school, straight back to the UK to join the Royal Marines. He didn't quite get there and joined RN instead. Flew Sea Kings around and served in the Adriatic during the Balkans conflict travelled the world and sent postcards home to us from Cyprus and anecdotes about water skiing around some greek isle... He is still in, transferred many years ago back here, ranked as a Lt Commander and is now XO of 808 Squadron at Albatross, Nowra. He joined, I had no interest and chose a totally different direction, and our parents are happy that we both did something useful with our lives on this planet. Again, Ean I can't fathom how upsetting that would've been for you as a Son hearing that. How did your Brother react to it all If it isn't too unpleasant to retell?

(Edit: Adding link to Article from Navy news, Being )
JC

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Gday Justin,


To be honest I got on with my life. I went fishing and in those days was spending 11 months at sea, so never really had time to dwell on it. I made a promise to myself I would never have that attitude if I was lucky enough to become a father. Our daughters are now 24 & 19 and I speak with them most days.


My dad came from a different era, went to war in Vietnam and he just believed that you followed in your parents footsteps. My brother got out not long after Dad died, and we have never spoken about it.


Cheers Ean

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Originally Posted by nugge t

But isn't it what separates good companies from poorer performing companies. I am still interested in how promotion is achieved.

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In the Dept. of Social Security after Second Tier Wage Adjustment in 1988 it helped to be female, black or ethnic, and a brown-noser. An advantage was to be able to rabbit off the latest Departmental dogma about EEO, political correctness, privacy, and so on. A directive was issued to management to promote more women and "disadvantaged minorities" into supervisory positions. Not enough good enough? No matter, promote the duds anyhow. Numbers are more important than quality. So competent, diligent officers missed out on deserved promotions time after time. There became a dearth of white male breadwinners in most regional offices. Seemingly, new appointees were middle aged married women working for second & third houses, private schools, overseas trips.

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Originally Posted by boa

I don't have the figures but life in general is risky. Some jobs more so than others . Are you at more risk in some jobs yes. But people tend to do what they love. Regretting some decisions you made early in life, but now bitter about them is not helping your mindset. Not directed at your daughter at all, I hoped she enjoys her experiences

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The only thing I regret not doing when I was younger was getting a Defender and driving it around Aus.

My mindset is fine. I respect and admire my daughters decision. When she told me at age 16 she was going to join the navy and become an officer I said yeah right. She has proven me wrong and good on her.

She sees the navy as a career and not a job. I am sure people like her and many others she works with will enable the ADF to go forward and become on of the best in the world.

If they could run the show and not have to be told what to do by failed solicitors and school teachers masquerading as politicians and ministers we would all be better off.

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Originally Posted by Chenz

The only thing I regret not doing when I was younger was getting a Defender and driving it around Aus.

My mindset is fine. I respect and admire my daughters decision. When she told me at age 16 she was going to join the navy and become an officer I said yeah right. She has proven me wrong and good on her.

She sees the navy as a career and not a job. I am sure people like her and many others she works with will enable the ADF to go forward and become on of the best in the world.

If they could run the show and not have to be told what to do by failed solicitors and school teachers masquerading as politicians and ministers we would all be better off.

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Agree as such but would that not make us a dictatorship. We need balance but that comes as a cost. Balance is the key. How do we achieve that?. Understand your frustration. The problem we have is more people in society are more than happy to take from society than to contribute to it As stated good on you for supporting you daughter and her decision to give to society.

I am still very confused about what is actually happening here. can someone list what the current range of salaries are from start to a mid level? What are the leave entitlements, what are the super entitlements, what are the medical entitlements, what are the long service leave entitlements, what are the War zone entitlements (extra for being in dangerous situations?), what is the pension entitlement.


It is really easy say 1.5% is not enough but it really needs to be viewed in the context of what is currently being received otherwise it is just a bland argument because no one ever wants less. For me, it is impossible to say until I can understand the current as opposed to the proposed.

If you really want here it is

ADF - your pay and allowances

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Originally Posted by nugge t

I am still very confused about what is actually happening here. can someone list what the current range of salaries are from start to a mid level? What are the leave entitlements, what are the super entitlements, what are the medical entitlements, what are the long service leave entitlements, what are the War zone entitlements (extra for being in dangerous situations?), what is the pension entitlement.

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Now you are being silly - do your own research or contact Defence for the information you want. Most people serving would not have all of that type of information at their finger tips.

This is a discussion forum - not your question and answer service.

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Originally Posted by THE BOOGER

If you really want here it is

ADF - your pay and allowances

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Well paid, aren't they.

All depends remember no overtime pay, no penalty rates on call 24/7 if CO/OC decides you start at 0600 today the you do, next day may be 0800 when you sign up you come under Mil law as well as civi so many things to take into account not just the pay each fortnight:)

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Originally Posted by Brian Hjelm

Well paid, aren't they.

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No.

P.s a question should end with a question mark.