The Strain On Defence Force Families.

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27th November 2014, 03:12 PM
isuzurover

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Originally Posted by THE BOOGER

All depends remember no overtime pay, no penalty rates on call 24/7 if CO/OC decides you start at 0600 today the you do, next day may be 0800 when you sign up you come under Mil law as well as civi so many things to take into account not just the pay each fortnight:)

There are a heap of allowances and benefits which add to the base pay rate though.

There are many, many jobs where you have to work long and/or variable hours and be on call 24/7 for no extra pay.

Not saying they don't deserve every cent they get and/or a pay increase, however there are a lot of other government employees who are equally deserving of a pay rise.
27th November 2014, 03:41 PM
Bigbjorn

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Originally Posted by frantic

No.

P.s a question should end with a question mark.

I could have used an exclamation mark for a statement of extraordinary fact. Not a question at all.
27th November 2014, 03:49 PM
frantic

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Originally Posted by isuzurover

There are a heap of allowances and benefits which add to the base pay rate though. 1

There are many, many jobs where you have to work long and/or variable hours and be on call 24/7 for no extra pay. 2

Not saying they don't deserve every cent they get and/or a pay increase, however there are a lot of other government employees who are equally deserving of a pay rise.

1: show us please, don't claim with no link at least.
Here's an easy one, deployment allowance $200 a day, not increased since 2004 as not linked to pay.
2: Name a few, maybe with a link to their eba, perhaps with the section where it says they will go to jail if not obeying their bosses orders. Work with live explosives, have people try and hurt them, deal with sensitive info, eTc.
Why do you think The ADF are being used as the first APS pay freeze case?hmm...
Links to EBA's or job descriptions would help us understand who else is doing dangerous work on call 24/7 doing round the clock shiftwork in remote or O/S locations with no extra pay? Please?
Here's a link for the $200 deployment.;)
http://m.canberratimes.com.au/nation...25-11bord.html
27th November 2014, 07:10 PM
bob10

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Originally Posted by Disco95

Shall I continue??
Think I might ask them what a stone frigate is and see how they react....

Wifes cousin is at Garden island in Perth, they do EXTREMELY well for them selves. It has its downsides also, but it's the life they choose. Their kids are awesome!! Less trouble and better behave than I was at their age!

And my ARMY mate is still living large and enjoying retirement before 65.

Go for your life, mate. We sea going sailors called those part timers, depot stauntions. All in good fun , of course. If you didn't go to sea for at least 6 to 9 months a year, you weren't a sailor. But, that's why we joined up, wasn't it? Bob
27th November 2014, 07:56 PM
bob10

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Originally Posted by Disco95

So what you're saying is that some military personel have a right to complain and some don't?

Albatross and Creswell, and they spend a good amount of time at sea.
A mother came crying to us recently because her hubby just got home after being out for 2 weeks at sea flying, and was called the next day to go for an undetermined time, leaving in the morning. That's the life, she cried, but it happens. she married a navy man, she knows it.

Another family is lucky because hubby is only based in Sydney at the moment so can come home on the weekends!!

Shall I continue??
Think I might ask them what a stone frigate is and see how they react....

Wifes cousin is at Garden island in Perth, they do EXTREMELY well for them selves. It has its downsides also, but it's the life they choose. Their kids are awesome!! Less trouble and better behave than I was at their age!

And my ARMY mate is still living large and enjoying retirement before 65.

See if your friends know this song, mate. Bob

I was walking through the dockyard in a panic
27th November 2014, 07:57 PM
nugge t

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Originally Posted by garrycol

Now you are being silly - do your own research or contact Defence for the information you want. Most people serving would not have all of that type of information at their finger tips.

This is a discussion forum - not your question and answer service.

Bit touchy there I would have thought. There plenty of statements that it was unfair without any clarification of why other than "because".

Sorry for wanting to understand the full position and frankly I would be surprised if they DIDN'T know their pay and conditions. If they are that poorly informed how did they work out it is unfair because I don't think anyone outside the ADF could?
27th November 2014, 08:15 PM
nugge t

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Originally Posted by Brian Hjelm

Well paid, aren't they.

Looking through the charts I would have thought so.
27th November 2014, 08:48 PM
bob10

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Originally Posted by nugge t

Bit touchy there I would have thought. There plenty of statements that it was unfair without any clarification of why other than "because".

Sorry for wanting to understand the full position and frankly I would be surprised if they DIDN'T know their pay and conditions. If they are that poorly informed how did they work out it is unfair because I don't think anyone outside the ADF could?

Dear, oh dear. I think my earlier post was correct. Once again, no offence meant. But, I suggest, if some one is persistent, right or wrong, sooner or later, other posters will just say, can't talk to a brick wall. And , of course, that brick wall will be correct, won't they. And in their mind, all is well with the world. Funny world we live in, some times. Bob
27th November 2014, 09:12 PM
Andrew D

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Originally Posted by frantic

perhaps with the section where it says they will go to jail if not obeying their bosses orders.

I'd like to see this in the ADF documents. Doesn't exists. If it read 'may' go to jail then that's a possibility. But this possibility exist in all places of employment.

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Originally Posted by frantic

Work with live explosives, have people try and hurt them, deal with sensitive info, eTc.

Try state or federal police. On top of this they can be only around the corner from where they live and be exposed to this let alone in another country.

What is the correlation between Defence and Police in respect to deaths while in service, suicides, depression, family break-ups etc. I'm thinking they would be running a close race. Correlation coefficient close enough to 1

Regards
Andrew
27th November 2014, 09:25 PM
nugge t

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Originally Posted by bob10

Dear, oh dear. I think my earlier post was correct. Once again, no offence meant. But, I suggest, if some one is persistent, right or wrong, sooner or later, other posters will just say, can't talk to a brick wall. And , of course, that brick wall will be correct, won't they. And in their mind, all is well with the world. Funny world we live in, some times. Bob

With all due respect bob you have consistently said it is unfair but haven't prosecuted the case as far as I can see. It has persistently been said that a 1.5% increase is unfair but it is relative to what the current pay rate is and whether higher than inflation rises have been given in the past.

But it is not just about the rate of pay it is about the full package and no one has laid it out in a non military way so that it can be looked at rationally.

The claim has been made that loss of Xmas entitlements is unfair. Well, what are the current entitlements. I see that super is paid at over 15% and 18% when in a war zone. That might not be as high as other public service area where I am led to believe it can be 19% but it is still higher than the legislated 9.25%.

Maybe there are some swings as well as round abouts. I am trying to understand it. It is the military brick wall of secrecy that has been built.

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