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And it is incomplete. Like a recent post from a cycle-cam about dangerous driving (the disco reversing one), all the facts are not on the table so maybe we should find out a bit more.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrLandy
AND I am NOT defending the toymota driver's actions either!
The drivers actions were illegal, dangerous and inexcusable no matter what may or may not have happened at any other time anywhere on the planet.
Why are you guys so intent on vilifying a cyclist who was almost knocked off his bike and then threatened with a knife!?!? seriously?? What, you think the cyclist might have done something similar to that driver before the video starts? Seriously?
That is just it, it is not. Just because you have an opinion (which you are entitled to) does not mean that every motorist is out to get every cyclist which IMO is what you are inferring. Everyone has their thoughts and opinions and are quite free to both have and express them (within the forum guidelines of course). I don't think there is a need to shut a thread down just because you don't like what is being posted.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrLandy
A large number of members here are both (drivers and riders) and having had another browse through the thread the bias is not really one way or the other.
In the video the Rider is riding to the left of centre as the car approaches. when the car is near he moves closer to the centre to prevent the car overtaking but doesn't succeed. When the Driver slows at the roundabout the Rider, giving no quarter, rides up to the car and makes contact, at which point the Driver stops. Had the Rider stayed to the left and slowed for the Roundabout as he should, there would have been no incident at all. Had the Rider not slapped the car (There is no contact with the bike.) there possibly wouldn't have been the ensuing incident.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrLandy
In his so called torrent of abuse, the Driver states that the Rider touched or punched(I can't tell.) his car and that he pulled out on him.
The Rider slapped the car and said "What the %$#@ are you doing?" This is the only abusive language I heard.
The Rider is reported to have said that earlier that day he had been forced to assert his position and made sudden movements to prevent being overtaken at roundabouts and intersections. Really???
In no way do I defend the actions of the Driver and that means any of his actions but the rider by his actions, shows an aggressive attitude, which on this occasion, got him more than he bargained for.
With respect, it is not about bias or whether the debate is balanced or not. It is about a motoring blog site effectively condoning illegal and dangerous behaviour by motorists towards other road users.Quote:
Originally Posted by pop058
Dont put words in my mouth. I have never asserted that every motorist is out to get every cyclist. This is a ridiculous assertion from a moderator.
I am appalled at some of the attitudes on here and this is something I no longer want to associated with in any way. Therefore I am considering cancelling my subscription.
It is a cyclists right to ride on the road, even if it is in the middle of the road. Not being sidelined by a car through a roundabout is precisely why the cyclist rode through the roundabout in the middle of the road. The cyclist did nothing wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by cuppabillytea
I disagree, the cyclist was being awkward and unco-operative to the point of aggression. The car driver's actions were also aggressive and OTT. I feel the cyclist's beef is that he lost in a battle of egos.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrLandy
Without question and I think everyone here has said that, but the cyclists actions were equally so - that has been discussed a lot as well. By any stretch of the imagination you cannot begin to say the cyclist was as far left as safe and practicable, so he was also acting illegally and dangerously.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrLandy
What I don't get is just because there are people bagging out what the cyclist did, you automatically think we all think the driver was in the right - it's not one or the other - the driver was in the wrong AS WELL as the cyclist - both parties clearly were - can't you see this or are you just so one sided that you think the cyclists are always right? Maybe when you stop thinking in the 'us and them' mentallity you may understand what some of us are trying to say.
Wrong, maybe you need to read up on this - if there is only one cyclist then they must stay as far left as is safe and resonably practicable. Not only is it the law, it's a good way of staying alive.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrLandy
Even if you could, would you? There's no point being right and dead...