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    Gas reserve for us.

    We are the only nation not to place a reserve on our finite resources, to help our industry and employment. Instead if a small percentage of our massive gas production is not reserved a report suggests a 15% reduction in our manufacturing sector.
    This is a reserve our gas campaign which a diverse range support from varying sectors and which we should motivate both sides to support.
    Reserve our gas


    Gas prices will explode due to Queensland exports, says Grattan Institute
    Larger households that use gas for cooking, hot water and heating will be hit with a yearly bill increase of up to $435 in the eastern states and the government should do nothing to intervene, the Grattan Institute has said.
    In the next two to three years, high gas users in Sydney will face a $255 increase while, in Melbourne, where 90 per cent of homes are connected to mains gas, users will see a $435 jump, [ame="http://grattan.edu.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/817-gas-at-the-crossroads.pdf"]according to the think tank's new report[/ame] [PDF, 733 KB].


    A BIS Shrapnel report showed rising gas prices would lead to one in five heavy manufacturers shutting down within five years and total manufacturing production being reduced by 15.4 per cent by 2023, cutting 91,300 industry jobs

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    Don't know if we are the only nation, but we are possibly the thickest in this regard.

    This also isn't just a issue of thick politicians, we as a nation continue to vote for those with nothing but short term agendas.
    So we are getting what we deserve.

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    It is greed, with insiders making a fortune. And the rest of us , not knowing enough to complain. Bob
    I’m pretty sure the dinosaurs died out when they stopped gathering food and started having meetings to discuss gathering food

    A bookshop is one of the only pieces of evidence we have that people are still thinking

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    Quote Originally Posted by bob10 View Post
    It is greed, with insiders making a fortune. And the rest of us , not knowing enough to complain. Bob
    Agree, 100%.

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    Guilty, bought Santos shares last week, hoping to make a fortune , or I could say I am investing in Australia's future.

    But I do support the concept of reserving essential materials for Australian use.
    N.b, original post, only nation etc, not sure if that is true, for example in PNG only now are they trying to retain some gas for domestic use.
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    WA has had a 15% reservation for a number of years and prior to that did massive underwriting of the North west Shelf. Very good reasons and she great benefits (especially with the latter) but always unforeseen ramifications. I will leave others to do their research but we should always be careful with these policies.

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    We should have gone the Brunei way years ago,but have completely missed the boat.

    There Govt is in joint venture with the oil companies,provide the locals with very cheap oil and gas.

    No personnel income tax either.

    But living standards are no where near ours either.

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    Bags being Sultan of Australia, , harem interviews start on Monday
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    Gas Reserves

    The solution to the problem is really rather simply. The export quota issued to gas companies is simply linked to domestic use. That is for every cubic foot of gas sold domestically teh copmpany is allowed to export 3 x this amount.

    This would force gas companies to install gas connections domestically at reasonable rates. if gas is too expensive domestically or is not easily available, then this effects the amount exported.

    All new housing estates would then have 'on-line' gas connections. People would also use LNG for bottled gas usage versus the present system which is LPG based.

    This is another case of the Governement of the day going off 'half-cocked' and not implementing startegies to ensure that Australians benefit from natural resources.

    Another typical 'half-cocked' idea is the solar scheme. Solar panels without battery storage serves very little purpose. Without the ability to store the energy produced and use this energy at times of 'peak demand' does not allow Australia to reduce its relaince on coal fired power stations. Peak demand still remains exactly teh same and therefore there is very little if any benefit to the consumer. Most people are not at home when solar panels are working and therefore their demand for electricity goes unused. Feeding the excess electricty generated back into the grid is also not what it appears to be as most electricity fed back into the grid goes unused, as most grids are not set up to allow the flow of electricity back through the network to where it is required, due to the cost of powerlines and transformers to accept this set up.

    Why do we not have gas fired turbines or even convert our existing coal fired power stations to run on LNG and again this would be an incentive to the Gas exporters.

    Dalby, in Queensland, has an abundace of gas fields and even has 5 gas fired turbine generators in the system. However, I am unaware that residents of Dalby receive any cheap electricty.

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    XDrive, the simple answer to your question about converting coal to gas is the enormous infrastructure costs involved.

    I don't think any power generating company in Australia would consider changing over unless it became law.

    Power generation is a joke.

    There is a gas fired generator at Barcaldine which is used for peak demands.

    There is a crew sitting there waiting for Energex or whoever the provider is to call them up to fire it up.

    It also has a smaller steam turbine attached which was designed to utilise the thermal energy exhausted from the gas turbine.

    Wonderful idea.

    Because the gas turbine wasn't being used continuously or often enough , the steam turbine also wasn't being brought online and so consequently began to detoriate and the maintenance needed to keep it operational outweighed it's initial benefit.

    Because the gas turbine needs to run up before it is fired up it has a 16v149 Detroit diesel engine to do that, which utilises a hell of a lot of fuel in the process , so a decision has to made as to whether the required run time justifies the fuel needed to start it.

    It probably doesn't matter what system is utilised for peak demand , it is a problem getting it online when needed and can't be done cheaply.

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