What device/s can u use in/on your car to record your vehicle speed accurately?

**BMKal** · 5th June 2015, 11:04 AM

Hmmm yes.

I got busted by the Moora coppers on the way up to Geraldton a couple of weeks ago. Was out in the middle of nowhere on a back road with no sign of any other traffic. Cruise control had been turned off for some windy sections of road a few km back and the radar detector was also turned off when I went through a larger town earlier and was being set off by the usual things in town.

Didn't even see the police car approaching me until it was too late ............ looked down at the speedo and knew I was probably gone even before the blue lights came on, so pulled over and waited for the inevitable.

Even the old story - "but officer, it's a Land Rover - they don't go that fast" didn't wash.

But no argument from me - busted fair & square. I turned the cruise control back on after that.

As to original post ...................

I have a "Blackvue" camera mounted on the front windscreen. This films in HD and has in-built satellite tracking. If you play the footage back through their software, it shows your exact position (map coordinates) and speed on the screen - but doubt this information would be of any use to you in a dispute with the law over a speeding charge. Handy for other purposes though.

**Robmacca** · 5th June 2015, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by Jeff

Probably would have cost a fortune, and the only winners would be solicitors etc.

Yes... the report I read cost the guy some $27,000 I think to win the argument. He had one of those vehicle trackers in his car in case his car got stolen + Solicitors + Expert Witnesses......

Originally Posted by Jeff

I know people who have elected to have it heard in court just to delay it enough to have points back from previous fines, then go to court and plead guilty. Costs more but they can keep working in the meantime.

From what I read on the Transport Dept Website, I thought it still applies from the day of the Ticket, so if u are left with 0 pts, then no matter if u try and delay it, in the end u will still be up losing your licence or going on a GDB licence for 12mths.... I could be wrong though....

**ramblingboy42** · 5th June 2015, 12:17 PM

yes , the police and rta officers can use whatever system they like , including dead reckoning through experience as evidence against any speeding fine but they will not accept anything , even very similar equipment to their own as supporting a persons defense.

a few years ago near Holbrook I was pulled over for "speeding" by a police car from the opposite direction.

it came around a fairly tight bend fairly fast,"tapdancing" on its limits quite obviously close to it's maximum adhesion.

he u-turned and chased me which really surprised me.

we exchanged quite a few words and I questioned his radar unit hanging outboard on a "surfrack".

he took out a tuning fork and showed me that the unit picked up the test vibrations and smugly made some comment about me

I asked him to do it again and I shook the radar...quite easily....and it upset his readings enormously and I questioned that.

he said no one shakes the unit like that , and I suggested that the way his vehicle was dancing around the road at the speed he was doing that it would shake.

we had more words and I wouldn't let him write a bluey and challenged him to go back to his station with me and discuss it with his desk sergeant.

he uttered some abusive words to me and just stormed off and drove away.

apparently if it goes back to station there becomes a mountain of paperwork and reports and they don't like that at all.

easier to let you go

**kelvo** · 10th June 2015, 02:50 PM

As no one has mentioned it I'm guessing heavy commercial vehicles in Oz don't have tachographs? Digital tachograph - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

These are compulsory in Europe to record speed, driving duration and rest times for commercial (7.5t and over, I think) vehicle drivers. There are other rules that make them compulsory if the GCM is over a certain weight, not sure what that is, but Land Rover offer/did offer factory digital tachographs as an option on Defenders.

**3toes** · 17th June 2015, 05:23 PM

Was a case in the UK a few years ago where a truck had been 'caught' speeding by a fixed road side camera. Driver would not pay fine and went to court. This was on basis that the the camera was known to him as was part of a regular route and tachometer records showed as under limit. His argument was that police will fine drivers based on tachometer records so should be good enough to prove innocence. After much protesting that only a police camera is accurate and is checked yearly to confirm accuracy the police withdrew charge of speeding on day of court case so no precedent was set.

**austastar** · 17th June 2015, 09:50 PM

Hi,
My daily track log from OziExplorer does that nicely.
Cheers

cafe latte · 17th June 2015, 10:13 PM

I was told that some have got off fines by asking when the police radar was last calibrated in court. If it is not within a certain time or if they can not produce the certificate you are off the fine.
Chris

**Robmacca** · 18th June 2015, 04:03 AM

Originally Posted by austastar

Hi,
My daily track log from OziExplorer does that nicely.
Cheers

That won't help u in court though to get off....

**Robmacca** · 18th June 2015, 04:06 AM

Originally Posted by cafe latte

I was told that some have got off fines by asking when the police radar was last calibrated in court. If it is not within a certain time or if they can not produce the certificate you are off the fine.
Chris

This is one of the 1st things they produce and send to u as part of the police brief if u contest the fine.... Now, whether it's the actual truth & was actually calibrated, u will never know

cafe latte · 18th June 2015, 07:05 AM

Slightly off topic..
Re Police being honest or not like mentioned in the previous post (re when the speed gun has really been calibrated or not) most Police I believe are just doing a difficult job, but some, maybe some whole stations give the rest a bad name. I live in a small town and I know the Police personally especially as being in the Brigade I even work with them in times of fire and they are all really decent people and IMO we are lucky to have them.
However a few years back my missus was down in Innisfail helping the reveg on their stall.
On the way home it started raining BIG time as it does in Innisfail. She came round a corner slowly just as the cloud burst she could not see so she pulled over right into the back of a parked car Oops!
My missus car was an old Troopy with a massive bullbar so the parked car was destroyed. My missus went into the bottleshop and the car belonged to the girl behind the counter, she really appreciated my missus going in.
That was it and my missus came home... A few weeks later she is called in to our local station for an interview and this was sent down to Innisfail.. Then the letter came, she had been charged with dangerous driving and trying to pervert the course of justice

The police said that Betta had admitted to an off duty cop at the scene that she had been on her mobile phone and that was why she had crashed

Not possible, she only spoke to the girl and she had said no such thing and we shared at the time a mobile and that day I had the phone!
We have a really good solicitor and we took it to court and won, but the whole thing left a really bad taste in our mouths as the Police lied to try and get a false conviction.
I would like to think it is just a few bad eggs in Innisfail Police..
Chris

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