Now that's a flag!

**cuppabillytea** · 26th March 2016, 12:15 AM

Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh

Remember, in 1854, Australia as a nation didn't exist. Queensland, Tasmania, Northern Territory and the ACT didn't exist.
It was unfurled by a minority of people who didn't represent the people of Australia or the government. They represented a small group of miners around Bakery Hill.
With that in mind, there is nothing stopping you unfurling your preferred flag design, proudly declaring it is the Australian flag and flying it from your flagpole.
You can even proclaim yourself to be President of Australia.
It's just convincing others. That's the problem.

I'd like to see you do it. Have a chat to Prince Leonard of Hutt.

Can I be your Commander in Chief of your army? I often pass Prince Leonard's Air Force base.

You can be the Chief of my Army but you have to buy your own Rubber Band for your standard issue Sling Shot.

**JDNSW** · 26th March 2016, 06:38 AM

Originally Posted by MrLandy

The Westminster system is clearly in crisis. As is the constitutional republic of the USA. Look at what's happening!

Common Law favours the wealthy more every day. Have you ever tried to get legal aid on a low income??

Our current flag is symbolic of the colonial arrogance that has lead us to this point. Growth capitalist mono cultural exclusivity has one outcome. Monopoly and a disaffected other.

We live in very dangerous times because of 'our' flag. The 'lucky country' is actually a multinational continent. Continuing to devalue that is madness. Yet our flag represents that in all of us every day.

But we can't talk politics here. So we can't talk flags either.

I think your post just justified my comment about axes!

John

**Eevo** · 26th March 2016, 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by d2dave

If it aint broke don't try and fix it.

i'll put up the roman empire flag then.
i mean roman republic
i mean roman kingdom

**Homestar** · 26th March 2016, 09:06 AM

Originally Posted by MrLandy

The Westminster system is clearly in crisis. As is the constitutional republic of the USA. Look at what's happening!

Common Law favours the wealthy more every day. Have you ever tried to get legal aid on a low income??

Our current flag is symbolic of the colonial arrogance that has lead us to this point. Growth capitalist mono cultural exclusivity has one outcome. Monopoly and a disaffected other.

We live in very dangerous times because of 'our' flag. The 'lucky country' is actually a multinational continent. Continuing to devalue that is madness. Yet our flag represents that in all of us every day.

But we can't talk politics here. So we can't talk flags either.

After reading all that this is all that I could think of....

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**Homestar** · 26th March 2016, 09:08 AM

Originally Posted by cuppabillytea

I stand corrected. Now I have to find out why I thought it was an Italian.

Maybe you were hungry - their food is better...

**pop058** · 26th March 2016, 09:13 AM

Originally Posted by MrLandy

The Westminster system is clearly in crisis. As is the constitutional republic of the USA. Look at what's happening!

Common Law favours the wealthy more every day. Have you ever tried to get legal aid on a low income??

Our current flag is symbolic of the colonial arrogance that has lead us to this point. Growth capitalist mono cultural exclusivity has one outcome. Monopoly and a disaffected other.

We live in very dangerous times because of 'our' flag. The 'lucky country' is actually a multinational continent. Continuing to devalue that is madness. Yet our flag represents that in all of us every day.

But we can't talk politics here. So we can't talk flags either.

Not really, even according to you (ref your "predicable" post above), a move to change the flag would probably fail, so not all of "us" and not even the majority of "us".

IMHO, being a "lucky country" and a "multinational continent" were not mutually exclusive.

DiscoMick · 26th March 2016, 09:32 AM

The current Australian flag only legally became our national flag in 1953, so I wouldn't get too teary-eyed about it. It doesn't have much relevance to this country now.
I think it's a pity that NZ narrowly rejected a change to a more relevant flag, rather than their existing one, which is almost identical to ours.
I also think Australia is long overdue for a flag which represents modern Australia, instead of our period as a set of colonies of England.
Its time to grow up, look forwards not backwards and stand independent and tall, I reckon.

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**Ausfree** · 26th March 2016, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by pop058

The flag discussion aside, why would we want to distance ourselves from GB ??

I meant that statement in terms of time. In the future the population will be more diluted than it has been in the past with people migrating from countries other than Great Britain and as time moves on the representation of a foreign country's flag in the corner of our flag will have less meaning to the future generations.

I may not be around to see it but I am tipping that eventually Australia will have a flag that truly represents us as a nation, such as the Canadians have done many years ago.

DiscoMick · 26th March 2016, 02:46 PM

We have had over 7 million immigrants since WWII. Not many of them came from the UK. My school has 72 ethnic groups, 48 languages, 36% ESL students and 20% refugees. Not too many common English names among them. This is the real modern Australia.

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**JDNSW** · 26th March 2016, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by DiscoMick

We have had over 7 million immigrants since WWII. Not many of them came from the UK. My school has 72 ethnic groups, 48 languages, 36% ESL students and 20% refugees. Not too many common English names among them. This is the real modern Australia.

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Actually for the first half of the period since WWII a lot of them were from the UK. But that is irrelevant.

Regardless of where they came from, they came here well aware of (or should have been) the fact that Australia is an English speaking country, with a government and legal system based on the English system, and with a flag based on the Union flag.

By and large, the second generation will have English as their first language (I am well aware there are exceptions - thirty years ago I met a woman born in Australia, into a family that had been here since the 1850s, who spoke only Cantonese). The flag is one of the very minor reminders of the basis of Australian society, and I have no doubt that there may come a time when a large majority may want to change it. But that is not now. And the impetus for this majority will not be that it does not reflect the society, but that a better flag has been proposed.

Change for the sake of change does not appeal to most people.

John

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