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Thread: WoW: supermini class diesel cars produce more NOx than a 40 tonne truck!

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    WoW: supermini class diesel cars produce more NOx than a 40 tonne truck!

    An article in todays Guardian (Diesel cars emit up to four times more toxic pollution than a bus, ) reveals that real world research in Norway and London has found
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    Diesel cars tested in Norway produced quadruple the NOx emissions of large buses and lorries in city driving conditions, according to a report from the Norwegian Centre for Transport Research. A separate study for Transport for London showed that a small car in the 'supermini? class emitted several times more NOx than most HGVs and the same amount as a 40-tonne vehicle.

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    I don't understand what this has to do with World of Warcraft.

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    Actually it's "Women on Wheels"! Who else would drive a supermini diesel car?

    WoW predates WoW by a least three decade years

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    crazy uh.
    Makes a mockery of the talk in that other thread that the limits are set too low and that car makers are passing the test so therefore all okay...

    If a truck can meet emission levels in real world driving then why are the limits set too low?

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    Quote Originally Posted by korg20000bc View Post
    I don't understand what this has to do with World of Warcraft.
    Always wondered about the emissions from Mechano-Hogs... And those Travellers Tundra Mammoths! Phew.

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    I suspect that the test conditions do not even come close to the real world, and that trucks and buses do better than small cars because the engines operate close o maximum power most of the time, whereas a car engine rarely operates at more than about 10% of maximum power.

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    Given the new revelations, I wonder if the EU will amend (up) it's supposed emissions reductions and admit it's programmes have been less than successful? (or at least much less successful)

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    John,
    my reading brings the conclusion that trucks meet the 80mg/km limit solely due to urea injection.
    small cars blow through this, especially in stop start when they are as you are saying are running low engine loading.

    BUT if a truck can meet 80mg/km surely the car makers with 1/10 the volume of fuel being burnt can too!

    I guess though there would be customer resistance to refuelling your exhaust tank!
    And the extra 10L of urea would blow out a whack of the small cars load carrying capacity!

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    It certainly shows that manufacturers have been avoiding the rules on emissions once their vehicles are out in the real world. I guess there will have to be random testing of vehicles in real-world driving before they are approved for sale.

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    A bus owner explained it like this...


    Imagine a picnic rug. Big enough for a small family to sprawl on, along with basket, plates and invading ants...
    Call that the amount of diesel emissions/pollution from dirty, pre-1990 diesels.

    Test a mid 1990's diesel engine ( German or Nordic bus f'rinstance...)
    - Lay a large towel on the rug, that's a similar ratio of pollutants.

    Today, relatively speaking, a Euro 6 diesel engine's rubbish would occupy the same area as a box of matches...

    On your picnic rug.

    I think there has been some improvement over the last 50 years.

    Add to the mix, improved engine management systems, intelligent transmissions (for dumb drivers) and weight-saving materials.


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