Thread: Awful Outback mobile and internet service

Originally Posted by squizzyhunter

Yes but they have broken it down so it is more accessible now with the foundation licence(restricted power ect) to ge people into it. Before progressing to standard or advanced. Foundation is good enough but standard = better options

any licence requirement will turn people off.

Originally Posted by Eevo

any licence requirement will turn people off.

Yes very true but a necessity in HF to not cause interference. Think about some of the idiots that are on UHF these days, imagine they had the range of 3000Kms+ and were on the same freq as Aviation, emergency networks ect.

Originally Posted by squizzyhunter

Yes very true but a necessity in HF to not cause interference. Think about some of the idiots that are on UHF these days, imagine they had the range of 3000Kms+ and were on the same freq as Aviation, emergency networks ect.

oh sure, i understand the technical reason why it should have a licence for use.

Originally Posted by JDNSW

Latency is not a serious problem except for interactive applications, especially gaming, but also such things as last minute bidding on auctions.

I agree that it is not a serious problem unless doing interactive applications (voice, video, gaming). It is going to cause problems for many people. It will not be possible for most people to utilise their "available" bandwidth if the latency is high thanks to bandwidth-delay product. HTTP/2 will help solve some of these problems by allowing for servers to push content to end users* but it's unlikely to have any impact in the immediate term (2-5 years) as adoption of new standards take time.

I also agree with your point regarding weak quotas from ISP's. It is not ideal to have such a small quota particularly for a general family who would have at least two mobile devices and at least one home computer. I suffer in an area with a relatively high population density and no fixed internet service availability which means I need to use LTE based services with poor quotas (25GB costs me $80/month). While the service is extremely fast even in peak times the quota has been blown numerous times by systems applying security updates. When I had security updates disabled to save quota my wife's Windows 8.x system was exploited through a web browser exploit delivered by a "trusted" advertising network (yahoo). We have since turned back on auto-updates and have to buy additional addon data bundles if we need to go over the quota. This type of shuffle would be a total catastrophe for many users who have less flexibility in their monthly expenses.

One winning point of NBN over the LTE scenario I just mentioned is that at least many consumer ISP's have "free sites" which often include some service patches out-of-quota. I am unsure if these apply to NBN satellite users though.

Here's another story about how this is a real problem for rural residents, whose efforts to fix it can also cause problems.
Illegal internet boosters block rural access, adding insult to injury for farmers with poor coverage - ABC Rural (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Originally Posted by stewie110

I agree that it is not a serious problem unless doing interactive applications (voice, video, gaming). It is going to cause problems for many people. It will not be possible for most people to utilise their "available" bandwidth if the latency is high thanks to bandwidth-delay product. HTTP/2 will help solve some of these problems by allowing for servers to push content to end users* but it's unlikely to have any impact in the immediate term (2-5 years) as adoption of new standards take time.

I also agree with your point regarding weak quotas from ISP's. It is not ideal to have such a small quota particularly for a general family who would have at least two mobile devices and at least one home computer. I suffer in an area with a relatively high population density and no fixed internet service availability which means I need to use LTE based services with poor quotas (25GB costs me $80/month). While the service is extremely fast even in peak times the quota has been blown numerous times by systems applying security updates. When I had security updates disabled to save quota my wife's Windows 8.x system was exploited through a web browser exploit delivered by a "trusted" advertising network (yahoo). We have since turned back on auto-updates and have to buy additional addon data bundles if we need to go over the quota. This type of shuffle would be a total catastrophe for many users who have less flexibility in their monthly expenses.

One winning point of NBN over the LTE scenario I just mentioned is that at least many consumer ISP's have "free sites" which often include some service patches out-of-quota. I am unsure if these apply to NBN satellite users though.

Satellite NBN will not include any "free sites" and even if these were provided by RSPs, they would still count in the mandatory data cap. And if you breach the data cap there is no possibility of buying addon data, as NBN will heavily penalise the RSP for such breaches (with the current interim service the subscriber is reduced to dialup speed for a month, and slowed further or disconnected if usage continues to exceed the cap - this is done by NBN not the RSP). NBN has learned from the interim satellite fiasco, where some RSPs allowed large plans which resulted in congestion, so this time they are applying draconian financial penalties to the RSPs to make sure they enforce the data caps.

My sympathy for your cost of data - I pay the same for 30GB - but only 10GB is available in peak hours. And I get 5/1 speeds and 6-700ms latency. At least you have the prospects of an improved service some time in the future - my long term satellite future differs mainly in that it will be 25/5, but effectively the data will be the same - the peak hours will change from the current 1300-2300 to 0700-0100, so that the off peak data will be virtually useless. For the same money though I will get 30GB peak data, so I won't actually be worse off, just insignificantly better off.

John

Originally Posted by DiscoMick

Here's another story about how this is a real problem for rural residents, whose efforts to fix it can also cause problems.
Illegal internet boosters block rural access, adding insult to injury for farmers with poor coverage - ABC Rural (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

its a tough one, as telstra cant force someone to turn off an illegal repeater, nor fine someone for running one.

Originally Posted by Eevo

its a tough one, as telstra cant force someone to turn off an illegal repeater, nor fine someone for running one.

No, but ACMA can and will. Fine can be $300,000 plus confiscation of the repeater. But ACMA relies on Telstra to find the repeater, which is easier said than done.

John