Reply With QuoteMy sceptic thoughts lead me to see the certification outsourced , ( to the country of origin ? ) , so as to keep the price down
Master
At the moment, importers can self-certify that their products meet Australian standards. SA government is making moves to change that, so that imported products must be independently certified against Australian Standards. Seems a sensible move to me.Originally Posted by frantic
Actually speaking of jockscan you show us how much the in store price dropped of BONDS jocks and singlets after they moved all production offshore?
That would be zip from my experience.
Then speaking safety there is the recent warehouse roof that collapsed where they where told by the insurance co that if they used chinese steel frame and roofing they would not insure them in the future.
ChatterBox
My sceptic thoughts lead me to see the certification outsourced , ( to the country of origin ? ) , so as to keep the price down
Gday Frank,
I commend you on the locally made hoist, and I think there are a % of people who do try and support local products, but last sunday I emailed 2 companies in Australia to see about purchasing centre caps for my steel rims. Guess what.. no reply even tho 1 of those companies has their name stamped on the wheels and I used both their on-line contact page and also the email address supplied. This morning I have been online and they will likely come out of china - Is that my fault for not buying Australian ?
As for the separate issue of 457 visa's , well guess what , I employ 12 people on 457 visa's because the Aussie and kiwi engineers we had on our vessels were to busy wanting to spend every minute in the pub and would even hold boats up from sailing because of the pub was more important, guess how many problem we have had with the foreign engineers - none- altho the 2 Aussies we have kept are far better at the job.
We use about 20 casual people to work at our factory here or for unloading boats , guess what the standard answer from local people is when they ask if I have work.. I will only work for cash, most likely so they can continue to claim the dole , my main casual workforce is all back packers . I even tried the low security prisoners for a while, but that fell thru because of red tape issues when it came to needing them to work public holidays.
From where I sit , and from what I have seen first hand in trying to supply seafood from the cleanest oceans and best sustainable manage prawn fishery in the world is that majority of people in this country will buy the cheapest item regardless of its origin or what the flow on effects are for local business.
The work ethic and 457visa's issues are for another thread.
Cheers Ean
Last edited by Bytemrk; 21st February 2016 at 01:56 PM. Reason: Quoted edited post.
Loud Mouthed Rat Bag
Fine. As long as they are on the same pay and conditions. Also there is no excuse for sacking an Australian worker and replacing him/her with a 457. That is not the intention of the 457.
Cheers, Billy.
Keeping it simple is complicated.
If people seen what you have to go thru to get 457 workers instead of reading the media / union hype they would see that it most likely cost more to have them. If there are loopholes then I haven't found them.
Cheers Ean
ForumSage
I suspect that's just an extension of what is already happening. eg. 'Australian Standards' are NOT a Federal gov't. department... it is, I'm told, a private company that devises/invents standards, which are accepted by Parliament...and thus it/they can become 'Law'.
Danger is, they don't always get it right.
A case in point was an expensive and fashionable jacket-cum-flotation garment, whose 'Approval' I questioned when doing my Skipper's Licence (recreation boating). I was annoyed that my English you-beaut self-inflating life-sausage was deemed "NOT meeting the Standard" due to it being ORANGE only, and containing no 'YELLOW'. - Only legal if I fell off a sail-boat. - Illegal if the boat was powered...
The Jacket DID have both colours, - but we discovered that you had to virtually rip it apart to expose the yellow material ! - It fulfilled the 'Standard'... but...
- The training organization deleted the jacket from their catalogue...
AT REST
Ean, I drove mine and others trucks interstate and intrastate on and off for 30 years between being a mechanic and rigging/construction work, I, You, could trust that most truck drivers were reasonably competent on our highways, except for some cowboys on Sesame street.
A news broadcast on telly the other night showed 2 of these 457 visa drivers (both Asian) with a B double holding up peak hour traffic because they couldn't back their truck away from a supposedly low bridge (tunnel) under the airport.
No log books, no skills, no care, coppers fined them $3K and bought in a qualified driver to remove the truck.
My son spent around a $1000 to get his rigid truck license, he has 2 years of Mine Drilling experience, 2 years as an Apprentice mechanic to a firm that went bust, was not able to get a position to resume his apprenticeship then finds that this Firm that went broke only did so to avoid debts, this firm now has 2 Korean workers doing what my son used to do, these 2 workers who don't speak a word of English get paid less in total than what my son was getting as a 2nd. year apprentice.
The whole system is ****ed and we need to wake up to this fact, before China buys Australia lock, stock and barrel, Regards Frank.
AT REST
You will find that Australian Standards (AS) committees are made up of random academics, many who have no ****ing idea of the product/item up for determination by the committee, the kicker is that most if not all such committees have a vested interest person on that same committee.I suspect that's just an extension of what is already happening. eg. 'Australian Standards' are NOT a Federal gov't. department... it is, I'm told, a private company that devises/invents standards, which are accepted by Parliament...and thus it/they can become 'Law'.
Danger is, they don't always get it right.
A case in point was an expensive and fashionable jacket-cum-flotation garment, whose 'Approval' I questioned when doing my Skipper's Licence (recreation boating). I was annoyed that my English you-beaut self-inflating life-sausage was deemed "NOT meeting the Standard" due to it being ORANGE only, and containing no 'YELLOW'. - Only legal if I fell off a sail-boat. - Illegal if the boat was powered...
The Jacket DID have both colours, - but we discovered that you had to virtually rip it apart to expose the yellow material ! - It fulfilled the 'Standard'... but...
- The training organization deleted the jacket from their catalogue...
This person is a representative of the product being assessed and has the power to VETO any decision that may be detrimental to attaining AS# for their product.
So we can't even get this right what chance have we got to pull ourselves back up, Regards Frank.
OldBushie
I regularly tell people to buy parts from O/S instead of here,I do it for good reason,an example is my heater matrix,$52 Aus from the UK,5 day delivery time,from an Oz supplier,$405 with a 5 day delivery time,now you tell me why should I buy from an Oz company and pay them $353 to order a part from O/S when it took me 3 minutes to do myself?.I also look at the vehicle industry,Ford and Holden went bust because they cannot compete with cheap imports,thats the general consensus anyway,well why can't they compete when they only spend about $150 on R/D,most of that is working out how to fit a crate motor into what ever heap of **** they were making at the time when Land Rover can make the most advanced 4wd vehicles on the road,all made in the UK with HIGHER costs than we have because of the strength of the pound and not only survive but thrive,selling the highest number of the most advanced vehicles you will find anywhere over the last couple of years?.Australian companys have gone bust because they sell a rubbish product or a product they want to sell instead of a product the customer wants to buy for and inflated price with the WORST absolute WORST customer service you will find anywhere. Pat
I don't know anyone who as knocked back selling their asset to an overseas buyer, be it a business or personal asset, if that buyer will pay the price or a higher price than they are asking for ...Do you ? Do we want that option taken away any more than what it already is under government policy,?
We have just come out of the biggest resources boom ever , so why are there not trades people everywhere ? , I have my suspicion its because the average young person in this country wouldn't work for apprentice wages and wants a 6 figure salary straight out of school. Our youngest daughter when she was a first and second year apprentice made more per hour working casual for me than her apprentice wage , but when she told me she should leave and work for me because the money was better , I told her I would not employ her. This is a lot of the reason we now have to seek 457 workers.
There are 2 companies in Darwin who supply rigging gear ie wire, straps etc , there is now only 1 that offers the wire splicing service and they had to bring someone in on a 457 to do it because they couldn't get anyone to take up the position, it was too hot , too hard, not enough pay etc etc , the other company opted out and does not supply that service.
When I first started my fishing career in the early 80's , we learnt how to splice wire as part of our job , I still find myself having to splice wire's for our boats and when I offer to teach the new generation they say nah , and sit down and play on their phones waiting for me to finish... its called attitude... The funny thing is I can splice the different types of wire splices and I cant get a job as a wire splicer here because I don't have a piece of paper to say im qualified.
I still say that as a society we buy on price first , quality second and place of origin 3rd , and our complacent attitude to customer service and our overall desire to want to do less for more is a lot of the reason our country is so reliant on imports.
We wont start on some of the ridiculous OH & S rules
Cheers Ean
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