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    Paging Ron (P38A Rover) & Other Grammar Types ....

    Hello Ron & Others,

    Just wondering about the use of capitalisation on the second word of a condition. For example, Alzheimer's Disease, Asperger's Syndrome, Down's Syndrome.

    I have been using the second word with a capital as standard, However, Micosoft Word places a blue wiggle under it and suggests that it is Alzheimer's disease. I consider that Dr Alois Alzheimer, Dr Hans Asperger and Dr John Langdon Downs either named or were attributed to the condition or disease. Therefore, the condition or disease specifically is associated to "belonging to" them.

    Another example is the case of another condition Autism Spectrum Disorder - Word does not suggest "Autism Spectrum disorder." Nor does Word suggest that Autism Spectrum Condition should be changed to "Autism Spectrum condition"?

    Finally, I have been using in text the term Autism written with a capital "A" within a sentence, such as: "the individual with Autism". Is this correct or should it be the individual with autism? To me it is a condition so it should have its name capitalised; like Lionel is writing this and Lionel is my "proper" first-name.

    Hmmm relating back to my training in Horticulture, perhaps it relates to the Carl Linnaeus' binominal nomenclature, or binary nomenclature where the weeping bottle brush is Callistemon viminalis ? As in Genus = Capital and species = lower-case.

    However, then again I do not drive "Lionel's Car" .... I drive "Lionel's car".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lionelgee View Post
    Hello Ron & Others,

    Just wondering about the use of capitalisation on the second word of a condition. For example, Alzheimer's Disease, Asperger's Syndrome, Down's Syndrome.

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    The general rule in English is to capitalise the name of a condition where it is named after a specific condition (same with measurement units). The question then, is whether disease, syndrome, disorder etc are part of the name or not. And my conclusion is that they are not, and hence are common nouns and not capitalised. This is, I think, especially the case where the proper noun is in the possessive case.

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    Proof reading is dead in journalism now as cost-cutting employers expect their writers to use Word's corrections and get it right before submitting, and assume the sub-editors will fix any errors, but in fact the deadlines are so tight and the writers and subs are so overworked because of staff cuts that it doesn't happen. For example, I cringe at the errors every time I read 4WD Action, but I know no-one really cares anyway. English 4WD magazines are better.
    Incidentally, I'm a former journo who now teaches English grammar.
    The issue with diseases is if the second word is part of the proper noun or not. Personally, I would capitalize e.g. Parkinson's Disease because the second word is part of the name of a specific disease, as distinct from a general reference to all the other diseases, which don't get a capital, for example heart disease is lower case because it is a general description. However, English is a crazy language, so no doubt some would disagree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoMick View Post
    Incidentally, I'm a former journo who now teaches English grammar.
    The issue with diseases is if the second word is part of the proper noun or not. Personally, I would capitalize e.g. Parkinson's Disease because the second word is part of the name of a specific disease, as distinct from a general reference to all the other diseases, which don't get a capital, for example heart disease is lower case because it is a general description. However, English is a crazy language, so no doubt some would disagree.

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    Hello Mick,

    Well there you go - I am a former Journalist as well! Although I was never taught grammar. I come from an era when such things as spelling and grammar were thought to stifle the creative flow

    I think the main thing within my dissertation is that the same usage is uniform throughout the whole document. Grammar - shamma My creative flow is being strifled

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoMick View Post
    Incidentally, I'm a former journo who now teaches English grammar.
    The issue with diseases is if the second word is part of the proper noun or not. Personally, I would capitalize e.g. Parkinson's Disease because the second word is part of the name of a specific disease, as distinct from a general reference to all the other diseases, which don't get a capital, for example heart disease is lower case because it is a general description. However, English is a crazy language, so no doubt some would disagree.

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    Hello Mick,

    Well there you go - I am a former Journalist as well! Although I was never taught grammar. I came from an era in the school system when such things as spelling and grammar were thought to stifle the creative flow

    I think the main thing within my dissertation is that the same usage is uniform throughout the whole document. Grammar - shamma My creative flow is being stifled

    Kind Regards
    Lionel

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lionelgee View Post
    Hello Mick,

    Well there you go - I am a former Journalist as well! Although I was never taught grammar. I came from an era in the school system when such things as spelling and grammar were thought to stifle the creative flow

    I think the main thing within my dissertation is that the same usage is uniform throughout the whole document. Grammar - shamma My creative flow is being stifled

    Kind Regards
    Lionel
    I wasn't taught a lot of grammar either, but I've taught myself and done some training and an M. Ed. TESOL.
    A lot of what I've learnt has been while I've been figuring out how to teach it to students.
    I tell my refugees that the first language English speakers start with an advantage because they've learnt by listening and copying, but they don't know the rules so the refugees can end up better at English than those who were born in it.
    The main thing I've learnt is that the best language rolls by so easily that you don't even notice the good grammar until afterwards. Good language is hard to achieve, but seems easy to read or speak.
    I teach my students to get the ideas down rough at first and then we'll polish it later (like I just edited this post).
    The problem with media today is there isn't time to polish. I used to have to improvise and dictate stories over the phone while standing in streets, paddocks and other weird places. You had to keep it simple and hit the marks first time - no time to revise.
    Nowdays the journos are banging out their copy on laptops on planes, in cars, in coffee shops and who knows where. Its not easy and the editors should do better at fixing minor errors.

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