Thread: If a person committed suicide

SVA...

Try this on..

lets say your mates parents call you up and tell you that their son has died in an accident, it happened in thus and so a place and the initial report has it looking like hes hit an animal and lost control, no suspicion of speed, alcohol or anything else. Knowing the guy as you do you think its very unlikely but technically plausible scenario

4ish months later you get a phone call from them saying that now they've got it together enough to clean out his room they found his suicide note which details the where and how hes going to do it and why hes doing it there.

where he had his accident was on the 2 way ring road that leads to that place, you've never had any inclination to think that he was suicidal, sure hes had some things in his life that were upsetting but he'd pulled over them. Lets also provide that you know how well and safely he could drive, that the odds of him hitting an animal and loosing control in such a way that would result in his vehicle leaving the road are about the same as winning lotto.

so heres the questions, given theres no way of knowing when he was going which way on the ring road and the nominated point was more or less in the middle

was he on the way to or coming back from the nominated place? Had he gone there and then decided not to do it then been killed in an accident or had he stopped in the car park that the ring road starts and ends at and then decided he was going to go ahead and do it any way and been killed in an accident on the way there or if he'd decided to do it and when the animal got in the road he just let it happen as though he couldn't do anything about it.

DiscoMick, I think that is asked by anyone considering such an act, will it be successful. Perhaps if there is any positive in it, is the uncertainty if its not. That may allow time to pass and hopefully see things differently.

Dave, don't think anyone will ever know, and that is the struggle for mates, loved ones and partners to live with unfortunately.

I have two friends who will ask that forever I think. One a Psychologist asked her much loved husband if he was OK for the day, as she left for work. He had been going OK and said yes. But tragically she found him deceased when she got home.

Another mate, just 17 at the time, had to cope with her ex boyfriend who was being a slime, take his life whilst on the phone with his fathers shotgun.

It's almost impossible to know what to say. I still say nothing, just listen and support them if it arises. Still as sad now and back then. Follow the light is about all I can say.

Originally Posted by newhue

very good point and clarity superquag. I had at the time several trees picked out, or bridge sidings, or rock solid points of stillness that would work. All at speed, all to look like an accident, and no one had any idea. To drift into an oncoming truck or fail a level crossing only complicates it for innocent people, so that was not an option for me.
I'd spend my days in a numb haze passing these points waiting for "opportunity" to jump.

But time passes, life changes, interest change. And I guess to put it nicely the soft light that creeps over the ridge and down into the valley can fill the days with warmth and a better life. Not to say the night doest't come back, but as long as one follows the light, it's possible.

I've just finished reading a book about a person's savage reaction to a certain class of 'anti-depressant', the same one that German pilot was on...when he flew his airliner into a mountain... I'd love to know is the MH370 captain was on the same poison...

Oh yea, I've been on that one too, around 20 years ago. Took myself off it after a few months, but reckon one of the side-effects is still there with me.

"The pill that steals lives". The author makes some useful comments about the benefit of facing up to problems as they occur in your life.... and how taking the 'easy' option of medication only makes it worse...after it makes you thing you're better.

Even just chatting to a fellow-sufferer can help enormously, - my podiatrist is, would you believe, a great listening ear...

And a great Toe-Trimmer / Foot-fixer too.

'The light you see at the end of the Tunnel, is changing from a train's headlamp... to the Exit...

superquag hang in there mate. The medical profession is needed, but I do think they charge far to much for their hit and miss science. If we didn't have feelings they be stuffed.
I think community understanding, de stigmatising of mental illness, a gagging of the media where mental illness may have plated a part in some tragedy, and chat groups on a much broader postivitely publicised scale would probably help more than any bucking bull magic pill ride to inner peace. To think not much has changed in 20 years is a sad reflection in what humans value.

Interesting you say just chatting to someone. I have hesitated to open this thread at times for finding something I don't like. But just chatting here, and even though public, helps settle waters. Everyone describes their story in different ways, but many still understand it.

"Follow the light" pinched from the movie the Croods. I'm as slow and dopy as Grug, but if I focus on tomorrow's light, it helps make it through the day sometimes full of darkness.

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-0...surers/7675772
Behaviour like this by insurance companies makes it harder for people to cope.

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

Insurers accused of making PTSD worse by placing former cops under surveillance - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
Behaviour like this by insurance companies makes it harder for people to cope.

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Utterly loathsome and despicable.

Insurance companies should have remained member owned. The corporatization of them has removed their conscience and any sense of morality.

Originally Posted by superquag

I've just finished reading a book about a person's savage reaction to a certain class of 'anti-depressant', the same one that German pilot was on...when he flew his airliner into a mountain... I'd love to know is the MH370 captain was on the same poison...

Oh yea, I've been on that one too, around 20 years ago. Took myself off it after a few months, but reckon one of the side-effects is still there with me.

"The pill that steals lives". The author makes some useful comments about the benefit of facing up to problems as they occur in your life.... and how taking the 'easy' option of medication only makes it worse...after it makes you thing you're better.

Even just chatting to a fellow-sufferer can help enormously, - my podiatrist is, would you believe, a great listening ear...

And a great Toe-Trimmer / Foot-fixer too.

'The light you see at the end of the Tunnel, is changing from a train's headlamp... to the Exit...

Many years ago when the better half was suffering post natal depression every Dr and psychologist wanted to put her on anti-depressants yet they couldn't answer one simple question that I kept asking all of them every time it was bought up:

How do you know when she doesn't need them anymore?

Their inability to answer this simple question meant that in consultation with my wife that we didn't go down this course of treatment. If the medical profession is going to prescribe drugs to help fix something they should know when the treatment has worked otherwise it's just a masking agent and doesn't address the problem.

Originally Posted by DiscoMick

Insurers accused of making PTSD worse by placing former cops under surveillance - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
Behaviour like this by insurance companies makes it harder for people to cope.

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Just reading this makes my chest feel tight. I was put under surveillance too by the bank who refused to provide any security after our branch had already been hit in a very dramatic armed robbery. I was in the second hit by the same people a month later.

They were self insured and between the surveillance, the rehab provider who would envoke a state of fear in me to force me to bend to her will and then being treated like a lab rat with a concoction of pills that saw me end up in the emergency ward for concussion (conflicting prescriptions) I was in the depths of dispair with no support no counseling and being treated like the enemy.

In the end they outsourced workers comp case management to QBE and my new case officer rescued me and helped me to get my life back.

Anyway enough said coz frankly it's just better when i don't think about it.

So yeah Disco Mick you're right and the people responsible for tormenting an already tormented person should be held to account. This is where I have to believe that karma will do its work.