Census time again

**Homestar** · 10th August 2016, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by DiscoMick

There's a big difference between voluntarily choosing to give information and being forced to give information or you will be fined $180 a day.
Plus governments have a lot more power to misuse information, and already do misuse it.
The US Census was hacked last year so assurances about security are not convincing.
Many people withhold or give false information to Facebook or similar sites to protect their privacy.
Good discussion here:
Is the census really 'no worse than Facebook'? - Hack - triple j

Again, you're being paranoid - at the last census, less than 100 people were fined, and of those, none copped more than $180 fine. They use this as a last resort to those that refuse - face to face with an ABS interviewer on at least 3 occasions.

The rubbish that is going around on this is simple astounding.

Just so you know, I have family that have worked for the ABS for over 40 years. Maybe try sending them an email if you actually want to know the truth on any particular subject, rather than rely on what faceplant and other social media are sprouting.

I'll let you go back to your little conspiracy theories now...

DiscoMick · 10th August 2016, 11:18 AM

Not a conspiracy theory at all - it appears factual, rooted in poor leadership.
Here's a good article about the recent decline of the ABS:

Census meltdown just the latest Bureau of Statistics bungle

**Ausfree** · 10th August 2016, 11:30 AM

These things should not happen, somebody's backside needs to be kicked.

We are not a third world country........................................... although it's starting to look that way with this schemozzle!!!

**Homestar** · 10th August 2016, 11:33 AM

What's that article got to do with being fined $180 a day for not completing the Census?

- And quoting a Political Opinion piece from the Brisbane Times as your source of all facts...

The ABS certainly isn't what it used to be, and it's not just the current Government that's been screwing with it, but that has nothing to do with the paranoia going around about being fined just because you didn't spell your dogs name correctly.

My comments earlier about data being kept shows my point of view on what most of the article is on about - which is I'm not paranoid enough to worry about it when there are several other government departments who already have all this and more on file.

**Homestar** · 10th August 2016, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by Ausfree

These things should not happen, somebody's backside needs to be kicked.

We are not a third world country........................................... although it's starting to look that way with this schemozzle!!!

While I wholeheartedly agree, like a lot of things like this, no one will be held accoutable for this, but I do wonder if they'll go back to pen and paper in 5 years time...

**loanrangie** · 10th August 2016, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by JDNSW

The bookies had this as a 90% probability, so it should have come as no surprise to anyone.

John

I didnt even waste my time trying to login, i knew it would crash.
If orgs like ticketek cant handle an influx of ticket purchases so how can something that the whole nation has to do cope.

**Tins** · 10th August 2016, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by Roverlord off road spares

Do people multi task during sleep?

Dunno about that, but they sure do it when they drive!

**Tins** · 10th August 2016, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by Homestar

My comments earlier about data being kept shows my point of view on what most of the article is on about - which is I'm not paranoid enough to worry about it when there are several other government departments who already have all this and more on file.

While I agree with you on the scale of paranoia around this issue, I have to chuckle at that las sentence. If they have all this stuff, and I know that they do, and far, far more, why the hell am I compelled to sit down and waste my time filling in the answers to such banal questions as " Is there anyone in the household who accesses the internet"!?!? It was an online questionnaire, for heaven's sake!

**trog** · 10th August 2016, 01:20 PM

It makes you wonder what the results of on line voting would bring ? Kinda reaffirms my belief that all things on line are better than the old ways , is "wrong".

DiscoMick · 10th August 2016, 01:54 PM

I'm for the Census; I'm just against retaining links to enable personal data to be identified.

Now the Minister and the ABS are contradicting each other about what happened.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-1...ormack/7713002

It doesn't have to have been an attack, a denial of service is just too many connections attempted at once. I read they had expected 1 million connections at peak and tested to 1.4 million, but if there are 18 million households, mostly in the eastern time zone, then its certainly possible more than 1.4 million tried to connect at once. Then a router failed and it just fell over.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-1...attack/7712372

I actually think online voting could reduce fraud in elections by cutting the 'vote early and vote often' factor out as occurs with paper rolls where people can tour several polling booths and get their name crossed off repeatedly.
However, the computer system would have to be impressive to make it work, particularly in rural areas. Maybe they could use the systems of local councils, libraries or post offices, since some places don't have Centrelink offices?

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