Thread: Big storm and no power in SA

Originally Posted by bee utey

Ooh, I've been rated by an anonymous internet expert!!!

at least im an expert...

Originally Posted by bee utey

Whose rules?

so when i speed and break the road rules, its the fault of the person who wrote the rules?

Originally Posted by bee utey

Whose report? Coal-R-Us corporation? It contains too much grammar to be your own report.

https://www.aemo.com.au/-/media/File...ort_Review.pdf

The Manitoba HVDC Research Centre (hereafter “MHRC”), a division of ManitobaHydro International Ltd. (hereafter “MHI”), was contracted by the Australian EnergyMarket Operator Ltd. (hereafter “AEMO”) for review of the final report for ‘BlackSystem South Australia – System Event of 28 September 2016’.

Originally Posted by bee utey

Whose job was that? AEMO? Why didn't they do their fracking job then?

pretty sure its not in the AEMO legislation. (i could be wrong)

what are the people who are accountable for the state's power doing about it?

Originally Posted by Homestar

With Hazelwood gone guess what's going to happen on the first hot day next summer... I'll give a lollipop to the first correct guess...

I'm guessing, when Victoria's generation capacity cannot meet the demand on the system, Victoria will load shed South Australia.
They're already talking about puting air conditioners on a separate circuit so they san shut them down via the smart meters on hot high demand days.

We have NEVER had a power "öutage" where we live in Melbourne. We have had power failures relative to storm damage, car hitting poles etc, but NOTHING relative to the system's ability to supply us sufficient power.
There are now Politicians from all sides giving their view with respect to what is right or wrong with respect to Hazlewood, renewables, wind, coal etc etc etc.
I'm all for renewables, wind, solar, whatever, as long as when it is introduced in whatever form, I have the same continuity & reliability of supply that I have now, which is what I've always had.
I will not accept any change that is going to be stressed, unreliable, subject to "excuses", adversely affect my quality of life, create "outages"(that I've never had before), and I'm sure our badly stressed manufacturing industries will say the same, nor will I accept gracefully any increased costs as a consequence of Hazlewood closing. There are Poiies on whatever side saying this will/will not be the case. Time will tell who is correct.
My own view is that Hazlewood should not have closed, nor should any type of replacement to coal fired generators etc be introduced, unless a seamless transfer from coal etc be guaranteed, which according to some is not the current case.
Time will tell who speaks the truth. Pickles.

Pickles...ya hit the nail on the head....a seamless changeover.....and that is the cause of most of the constant bickering about renewables.

Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh

I'm guessing, when Victoria's generation capacity cannot meet the demand on the system, Victoria will load shed South Australia.

We have a winner! One lollipop coming your way.

Just 4 button presses and Vic can dump up to 900MW depending on what's being drawn - over half of what Hazelwood was good for.

It's already being discussed.

If SA is pulling more than around 400MW then things are going to get dark over there real quick. If they're really lucky they'll get a few minutes to load she'd large parts of the state to keep most of Adelaide lit.

Originally Posted by Homestar

If they're really lucky they'll get a few minutes to load she'd large parts of the state to keep most of Adelaide lit.

Even simpler, contract industrial users to shut down at times of constrained supply, ie pay them to curtail consumption instead of just cutting them off. This mob apparently say they can easily find 100MW of SA customers by Christmas. Cheaper than running up a bunch of short term diesel peakers.

Demand Response | EnerNOC

SA now has the power to order the second gas plant to fire up. Gas will halve emissions while providing stability.
The wind generators did continue through the blackout, that's a fact, and now should not trip out. Solar/wind plus batteries will also aid stability.
Coal is dying and not coming back. Nuclear will never get approved.
These are all inconvenient truths for some people, apparently. And yes, I read the report.

Originally Posted by bee utey

Even simpler, contract industrial users to shut down at times of constrained supply, ie pay them to curtail consumption instead of just cutting them off. This mob apparently say they can easily find 100MW of SA customers by Christmas. Cheaper than running up a bunch of short term diesel peakers.

Demand Response | EnerNOC

Why would a buisness sign up to be the first to be powered down to save others? The industrial sector is the one yelling the most about having the most to lose when the powers out.

You would need to give a large industrial customer too much notice for this to be viable. I can't see this doing anything but pushing more buisness off shore if they think this is what the future holds here - I'd be out of here like a rat up a drain pipe given that option if I ran a large buisness. It's not a solution by a loooong way, just a stop gap - short term bull**** thinking that will cost jobs in the long term.

I could only see residential and small buisness being happy to do this, but you'd need 10's of thousands to sign up to have the impact they are claiming.

And they won't put diesel in - it would send the State Goverment broke within weeks - even if they didn't run, and even if the 2 major players that can do this stuffed everything they could in there we're only talking a couple of hundred meg at a cost of millions a week, and 5 times that if they ran.