Thread: Excuses ,excuses, after I told her off and still on the mobile

Originally Posted by ATH

I said above we travel at about 95 on the open road where the limit is normally 110. This I think gives more than enough difference for competent drivers to get past rather than if we sat on 100kph which in WA is the tops for ALL towing vehicles.
I'd rather travel at our lower speed than have to sit there while some plonker creeps past sitting dead on 110 because he doesn't want to get a ticket which is very easy in WA.
Don't you reckon sitting on the other side of the road is more dangerous than doing a few kays over some limit?
AlanH.

Well if i did it on double lines or in front of on-coming traffic , yeah . IMHO .

Speaking from WA my last 2 speeding fines over the past 18months from hidden cameras (just a can parked on a street with camera in the back) were fines but no demerit points.

62km/hr in a 60 zone, and
83km/hr in a 80 zone.

And that's with cruise control set to the limit. Is it any wonder why people over here claim cameras are for revenue and not safety.

I challenged the 62 one in court and lost (didn't have to pay costs thankfully) so didn't bother trying to challenge the next one 6 months later.

So yeah both in my private cars and in the work vehicles I now set cruise 3 km under the limit both in suburbs and on highways. Should be noted there is no cruise in the Defender but speeding in that is not really possible most of the time.


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Originally Posted by Jesters Td5

Speaking from WA my last 2 speeding fines over the past 18months from hidden cameras (just a can parked on a street with camera in the back) were fines but no demerit points.

62km/hr in a 60 zone, and
83km/hr in a 80 zone.

And that's with cruise control set to the limit. Is it any wonder why people over here claim cameras are for revenue and not safety.

I challenged the 62 one in court and lost (didn't have to pay costs thankfully) so didn't bother trying to challenge the next one 6 months later.

So yeah both in my private cars and in the work vehicles I now set cruise 3 km under the limit both in suburbs and on highways. Should be noted there is no cruise in the Defender but speeding in that is not really possible most of the time.


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Would have to say getting pinged for 2 or 3km/h is a bit pedantic , i thought there would be a bit more tolerance than that , i hate to say it but that is just revenue raising .

Originally Posted by Fatso

Would have to say getting pinged for 2 or 3km/h is a bit pedantic , i thought there would be a bit more tolerance than that , i hate to say it but that is just revenue raising .

Apparently the same in Vic

Not sure of the rules now, but it used to be the actual reading then they took off a percentage for tolerance, and after that the speed was used for infringements.
So if you were doing say clocked speed of 107 and they took off 4 for tolerance then your recorded speed would be 103, so you were actually going 7 kms over not the measly 3kms.

Note : you can get booked for overtaking and exceeding the speed, say your traveling along a highway, and you get stuck behind a caravan driver doing 90 kph,, you find a clear area to over take, so you pull out and plant the foot to safely overtake and get back into your lane again, but you exceed 100kph ( if that was the posted speed limit) then you can get booked. I know this has happened to some one I know
Most of us know that you have to exceed the speed limit to overtake and leave enough room to re-merge in front to the overtaken vehicle and to do it as quick and safely as you can.




from Vic police, not that GPS and speeds, it's your responsibility to make sure they are accurate.
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I'm told in Queensland there is a 3 km/h tolerance to allow for GPS and speedo errors.

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

I'm told in Queensland there is a 3 km/h tolerance to allow for GPS and speedo errors.

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Until the new cameras here in WA it was a 10% tolerance. Now it is 1km/hr or in real terms less than half the width of the needle. Most cops I know who use the hand helps still apply the 10% rule but the camera guys are set up to take your pic 2km or more over the posted limit

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Originally Posted by Toxic_Avenger

Muslim part aside (I don't know why you mentioned, this, it has nothing to do with the story)

Total thread hijack. Why stop at taking out "the Muslim part" for not being part of the story? Take out the "young" descriptor too. And the "woman" descriptor. That she was driving a "coaster" bus is irrelevant too. As is the snippet about them both stopping in a "fuel station".

Keep that up and you just have "saw a driver using a mobile who wouldn't stop even when challenged"

A bit dry.

Like knee-jerk reactions to some keywords.