After The Gatton Shooting

Mick move on and start another thread for your naive rant this is not the place for it at the moment please[thumbsupbig]

Agreed Rangie...move the gun debate to another thread...it has been debated before and will be debated again. This thread is for the man who gave his life while serving the community and trying to protect all of us...from low-lifes like this particular perpetrator of a heinous killing.

RIP brave Police Officer. Respect to you.
Condolences to his friends and family.
Thankyou QPol for making the world a safer place today.
Rot in Hell perpetrator.

Cop killer who died in shootout had 'grievance against police' Gatton police shooting: Cop killer shot dead after shootout - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) - via @abcnews

MY heart goes out to the family of the police man and his family also his partner she witnessed the shooting, this will stay with her for life. The only good thing that has come out of this the gun man is dead saving the tax payers hundred off thousands of dollars.

Police to probe whether slain cop was lured to his death by shooter with 'grievance'

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

Yes, I know they're already illegal - I said that. Making them illegal also makes it illegal for crims. to possess them, so the cops can act based on their possession, even if they can't prove they have actually been used, which strengthens the hand of the police. Its a good thing too.
As for law abiding citizens, why would a law-abiding citizen need a machine gun?
Take America as an example - most gun crime is committed by ordinary citizens, not criminals. No way should ordinary citizens be able to get machine guns. In fact, very few people have a legitimate reason to own any gun, I reckon. And I grew up on a farm, so I know about and have used various guns in farm work, but no way should I or most people be able to get a gun for normal life, I think. The fewer guns there are, the safer is society.

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Mick, I disagree with pretty much everything you say,and can say honestly that you have no idea what you are talking about.''Machine Guns'' as you put it have never been legal in Oz,ever,and no one can legally possess a ''machine gun'' in Oz,under any conditions or circumstance.As far as not having a reason to own a firearm,well shooting is a sport,one of the oldest registered sports there is,and one which many people from all walks of life participate in,including me.Your statement about less guns in society makes it safer,you are delirious,people are killed in society every day by criminals who should not be allowed to live in society,yesterday a know criminal/troublemaker was jailed for 4 years for running down a women outside a shopping center with a motor bike killing her,should we outlaw motor bikes?. Pat

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

I think maybe you're missing the point. Everyone knows some crims will get illegal weapons, the laws will never stop that, as you correctly say.
The point is making those guns illegal means the cops can act against people who seek and gain them, without having to wait for those people to commit a crime with them. Making possession illegal means those who possess them can be charged. That is how the cops often break up criminal gangs. Jail them for illegal possession BEFORE they commit a crime with them.

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I think your missing the point Mick,if the Police know a person has an illegal firearm they can act against them,after watching 4 Corners the other night it was the Police that helped the criminals get firearms. Pat

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Originally Posted by PAT303

Mick, I disagree with pretty much everything you say,and can say honestly that you have no idea what you are talking about.''Machine Guns'' as you put it have never been legal in Oz,ever,and no one can legally possess a ''machine gun'' in Oz,under any conditions or circumstance.As far as not having a reason to own a firearm,well shooting is a sport,one of the oldest registered sports there is,and one which many people from all walks of life participate in,including me.Your statement about less guns in society makes it safer,you are delirious,people are killed in society every day by criminals who should not be allowed to live in society,yesterday a know criminal/troublemaker was jailed for 4 years for running down a women outside a shopping center with a motor bike killing her,should we outlaw motor bikes?. Pat

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Then I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree, because I know exactly what I'm talking about. Anyway, I've already answered your questions previously, so enough said.

The thing that does concern me about this tragedy is how does someone reach the state of mind that they think it's OK to behave like this bloke did? What is his story? How did he get this way?

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

The thing that does concern me about this tragedy is how does someone reach the state of mind that they think it's OK to behave like this bloke did? What is his story? How did he get this way?

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because our prison system is about punishment, not rehabilitation.

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Originally Posted by Eevo

because our prison system is about punishment, not rehabilitation.

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Had he been to prison? He wasn't on bail or parole. I don't know his record. Some people refuse to be rehabilitated.