another london attack

" i think those laws are disgusting.
they are not real crimes. "
So we let them do their worst and blow up innocents like in London, Manchester, Sydney before we act Eevo? I think it's long past the time governments took the soft line and really cracked down hard on anyone even suspected of thinking of committing such criminal murderous activities.
I also suspect many moderates are also frightened of the consequences of daring to condemn their actions.
The world has changed dramatically in the last 50 years or so since the European HR courts were set up but they are still refusing to accept this which is what the Tories want to do.
And our own government had better start realising this as well instead of making grandstanding speeches about "staying strong and standing together against terrorism".
Utter crap. These revolting scum should be shown no compassion or given any opportunity at all to carry out their murderous deeds.
AlanH.

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Originally Posted by Eevo

i think those laws are disgusting.
they are not real crimes.

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Really? Why not? Conspiracy to murder is a crime.
Planning a bank robbery is a crime.
Carrying a rape lit is a crime.
Going equiped to burgle is a crime.
Inciting violence is a crime.
Shouting Fire in a crowd is a crime.
Wearing a stocking mask into a bank is a crime.
Membership of a proscribed organisation is a crime.

Why should advocating a terrorist act be any different?

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Originally Posted by Eevo

i think those laws are disgusting.
they are not real crimes.

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"A man is known by the company he keeps"

Aesop.

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Originally Posted by johntins

Really? Why not? Conspiracy to murder is a crime.
Planning a bank robbery is a crime.
Carrying a rape lit is a crime.
Going equiped to burgle is a crime.
Inciting violence is a crime.
Shouting Fire in a crowd is a crime.
Wearing a stocking mask into a bank is a crime.
Membership of a proscribed organisation is a crime.

Why should advocating a terrorist act be any different?

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cause until you commit the crime, nothing has happened.
you might plan it, then change your mind.

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Originally Posted by Eevo

cause until you commit the crime, nothing has happened.
you might plan it, then change your mind.

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So, using that logic, someone building an explosive vest to wear to, say, the AFL Grand Final has done nothing wrong until he detonates it?

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Originally Posted by ATH

So we let them do their worst and blow up innocents like in London, Manchester, Sydney before we act Eevo? I think it's long past the time governments took the soft line and really cracked down hard on anyone even suspected of thinking of committing such criminal murderous activities.
I also suspect many moderates are also frightened of the consequences of daring to condemn their actions.
The world has changed dramatically in the last 50 years or so since the European HR courts were set up but they are still refusing to accept this which is what the Tories want to do.
And our own government had better start realising this as well instead of making grandstanding speeches about "staying strong and standing together against terrorism".
Utter crap. These revolting scum should be shown no compassion or given any opportunity at all to carry out their murderous deeds.
AlanH.

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you want to arrest someone who hasn't actually done anything yet?

just thinking about committing a crime is a crime?
should we fine people who think about speeding?
thought police much?

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Originally Posted by johntins

So, using that logic, someone building an explosive vest to wear to, say, the AFL Grand Final has done nothing wrong until he detonates it?

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how can you be sure he was going to go through with it?

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Originally Posted by Eevo

how can you be sure he was going to go through with it?

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I'd rather take that chance than let him go through with it. It's a little late to do anything after the fact, don't you think?

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Originally Posted by johntins

I'd rather take that chance than let him go through with it. It's a little late to do anything after the fact, don't you think?

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you could be locking up an innocent. that's unacceptable.

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Originally Posted by Eevo

you could be locking up an innocent. that's unacceptable.

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Nope. Happens all the time, it's why we have this thing called Court. he can have his say then. However, merely building a bomb is illegal, and so it should be. So, he's not innocent at all.