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Originally Posted by Ean Austral
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A debate usually consists of people putting forward their opinions with plausible options to solve a problem.Quote:
not antagonising. i've had this option for a long time.
maybe we should be locking up people like me who want to debate laws. cause laws never change and never get debated.
People that just throw negative statements into the discussion without putting forward any opinion as to how to actually solve the problem at hand are usually called "Hecklers".
If the cap fits then wear it [thumbsupbig]
dont have to solve a problem to have a debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by trout1105
i dont conciser my statements negative. they are a difference of opinion.
i dont think the terrorist problem can be solved by laws.
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i dont think the terrorist problem can be solved by laws.
Can you expand on that statement?
If the problem cannot be dealt with Lawfully then how do you propose how we can stop these terrorists??
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Originally Posted by trout1105
it's a cultural problem, i think.
making additional laws is useless for people who dont respect the law.
and "preventative" laws dont always catch people. people always slip past the police.
as i said before, i dont think you can stop these terrorists.
to butcher a well known quote:
Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both. He who gives up freedom for safety deserves neither.
Is it acceptable to blow up hundreds of people? Your family, perhaps?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eevo
No, what would be unacceptable would be for the Police to do nothing because the prospective terrorist "might change his or her mind". "I wasn't really going to do it Officer" simply does not cut it, I'm afraid.
Comparisons to things like speeding are risible, and beneath you.
The laws as they stand are probably letting terrorist evade prosecution that's why we need New laws and the assistance and cooperation from the leaders of these communities.Quote:
it's a cultural problem, i think.
making additional laws is useless for people who dont respect the law.
and "preventative" laws dont always catch people. people always slip past the police.
as i said before, i dont think you can stop these terrorists.
The only other alternative is to Remove the entire culture that is producing these terrorists and that would not only be unfair to the majority it would be Un Australian.
hundreds of people, noQuote:
Originally Posted by johntins
my family. hmmmm
i'm not condoning murder.
police should be there to deter (and stop). but not to arrest someone for something they have not done.
the comparison is using the same logic and rules.
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Originally Posted by trout1105
what new laws would you introduce?
planning is already a crime
being a member of a terror group is already a crime.
neither of these laws stopped these terrorists from doing what they did
Police and security are now working so well that the average "terrorist" is barely able to muster a gun, often no more than a knife and a vehicle and is taken out after a few killings. (BTW professional crims hate terrorists so are loath to part with guns for them.) It's not really a lot different to a suspended driver going on an ice bender and mowing down a few people outside a night club because he hates gays. The difference between a "terrorist" and a "mentally deranged person (but one of us)" is a petty distinction bolstered by our very own faux news king, Rupert Murdoch. Letting yourself feel terror at something that happens to a relatively small number of people is simply a sign that the trash media has you by the nuts. It's like being afraid of going on a plane just because the news is full of another crash. Yet the chance of you dying in a plane crash is lower than ever before, ditto of terrorism.Quote:
Originally Posted by johntins