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    HID low beam's not much chop on open road

    I’ve just returned from NW - NSW and as I left at 3 am, I had plenty of night driving and a chance to see how the D3’s HID low beams worked on the open road.

    I have already post my dislike for these lights from the little bush driving I had done locally but this was the first chance to use them at speed on the open road and I found them to be lacking BIG heaps.

    When driving along any of the many long straight stretches of road, at around 115 kph and having a vehicle coming in the other direction, enters the straight at the other end.

    Switch to low beam, you are now left with either playing Russian Roulette and leaving the cruise control on at the speed setting or, as I had to do on a number of occasions, disengage the cruise control and let the speed fall back to around 80 kph and even at this speed the distance lit up by the low beam was still shorter than a safe braking distance needed if there was something spotted on or near the road.

    These head lights are great for Toorak tractor but not much chop on the open road.

    Just my observation, cheers

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    can't you get on the bonnet and hold a torch and let the wife drive


    or better still being as though women can multi task put the wife on the bonnet and se could hold two torches

    problem solved :wink:
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    I have wondered as to how effective HID's are on low beam, I haven;t had the opportunity to drive a vehicle with them fitted at night though.

    HID might be one of those automotive fads that come and go then?
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    As funny as that may sound, with the useless way these lights work, two touches taped to the bonnet would be far safer and shine ferther down the road than the current lights do.

    I think these things have got to be adjusted wrong because they are next to useless the way they are.

    So far, the D3 is fantastic but these lights are a step backwards not an improvement.

    I do a lot of night driving and I’ll thankful that the RR does NOT have HIDs.

    Cheers

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    i don't know much about these light or the compatability

    but would it be nieve of me to ask if it's possible to downgrade the headlights (are the disco lights the same as the range rover's current model ? they look the same but do they work the same i.e the way they disperse light?)

    or whether you can have them adjusted or even have different bulbs put in to create different light............

    i'm affraid i don't know enough to make good sugestions, i'm just trying to look at it in a logical way

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    Its long been known that the more lights you fit, the blinder you become on low beam. Its just that the eye cannot cope that quickly to such a change in contrast.

    Line it up alongside something else in the dark, & compare low beams when stationary. You might be surprised.

    Then again, maybe HIDS are an issue. It'd be interesting to do the side by side test.

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    Hi Phoenix, I don’t know about a passing fad but they definitely need some improvements and if none are coming then yes I too hope they become a passing pad that passes quickly.




    Hi dullbird, when I bought my RR, they came with standard headlights but not long after buying it, when started fitting the HIDs as standard and I was kicking myself because they sounded so good and I do so much night driving.

    Now if you are just your average Toorak Tractor driver then these lights won’t be a problem and as I have found, the HIDs are unbelievable in the rain.

    The problem is that I and I imagine, many others use these vehicles for lots of long distance driving and while in tight curved road country, the lights are only on low for a few seconds, out back on the long straights, it’s common for you have to be on low beam for a minute or more at a time and because the light has such an exact edge to it, everything beyond that edge is black and as the lights don’t shine all that far down the road, as I posted above, any speed above 80 kph is playing Russian Roulette.

    Cheers

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    You may be able to adjust them up. The spread is designed for much better lit Euro roads and I have been advised that headlights in Europe have to be adjusted down. I don't know how true it is.

    :?

    I've found that the depth is not that good on low beam at 110kph, but I'm yet to drive a modern car that has a safe headlight reach.

    The Europeans probably just do what they do when there's a fog. Drive just as fast and hope that no one stops.

    Why don't you just use the SatNav and fly on instruments! 8)

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    Originally posted by drivesafe
    Hi Phoenix, I don’t know about a passing fad but they definitely need some improvements and if none are coming then yes I too hope they become a passing pad that passes quickly.




    Hi dullbird, when I bought my RR, they came with standard headlights but not long after buying it, when started fitting the HIDs as standard and I was kicking myself because they sounded so good and I do so much night driving.

    Now if you are just your average Toorak Tractor driver then these lights won’t be a problem and as I have found, the HIDs are unbelievable in the rain.

    The problem is that I and I imagine, many others use these vehicles for lots of long distance driving and while in tight curved road country, the lights are only on low for a few seconds, out back on the long straights, it’s common for you have to be on low beam for a minute or more at a time and because the light has such an exact edge to it, everything beyond that edge is black and as the lights don’t shine all that far down the road, as I posted above, any speed above 80 kph is playing Russian Roulette.

    Cheers
    The MINI has a low beam xenon (HID) option that many of us have. Because they are so bright, in certain parts of the world (US) they mandate that xenon lights must have washers and auto height adjustment to avoid blinding people

    On the MINI when you turn the lights on first time (after start) you can actually see them start low, and then adjust themselves up. Some owners have not found this sufficient. There is a manual adjustment that lifts them, but you have to be carefull not to turn the screw too far or it screws the system

    MINI's without xenon lights have healdlight height adjusters that work well. It's a shame these go missing on the xenon models

    It it possible that there is a fault in your autoadjustment system? That's what it sounds like
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    Hi Tusker, a mate has an Audi TT with HIDs and his light up further down the road but as his vehicles headlights are closer to the road than on a 4x4, then they may be able to adjust them a little higher.

    I’m going to check the D3 headlight setting compered to the RR and see if there is any noticeable difference.

    Hi Jamo, the mate with the Audi TT is right into European cars and he said exactly the same thing about the adjustment, so I’ll have to do some checking.

    Cheers all.

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