Thread: Lycra lunatic takes womans keys

Originally Posted by Homestar

Don’t shoot the messenger but I did get a giggle from this even though this isn’t consistent with my views.
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I passed a cyclist on the Glenelg tonight.
The cyclist was doing the right thing.
All the vehicles in the conga line I was in were doing the right thing.
Your invention would have been useless.

Originally Posted by Homestar

Don’t shoot the messenger but I did get a giggle from this even though this isn’t consistent with my views.
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A mate of mine has a similar gadget on his treadly, an extendible fibreglass pole with a small flag on it that makes a screeching noise on the paint of closely passing cars.

Originally Posted by Homestar

I think the biggest problem - which is shown here in this thread, and every thread that runs on cyclists, here and other Australian forums I’m on is the ‘Us versus them’ mentality that most come out with defending ‘their’ side to the death.

I’m sure that the woman involved here was oblivious to her surroundings and did something to cause the response from the rider, but his actions are reprehensible even if he did so it in the spur of the moment. BOTH of them, but at least the woman stopped to see what was going on, the cyclist in this case was IMO too cowardly to stop and discuss this which may have led to the woman’s actually learning something, instead she just ends up being the victim of a road rage incident - no winners there.

There are dumb and angry cyclists, dumb and angry motor cyclists, dumb and angry motorists. What we need to do is learn how to take a deep breath and all work towards making the roads usable by everyone in a safe and polite manner. No idea why we can’t do this here in Australia, Europe seem to have this down pat and all road users get along fine.

Despite who was right and who was wrong here, give cyclists a bit of room - it really isn’t that hard, and cyclists - don’t do dumb illegal **** in front of motorists all the time. If both of these things could happen there’d be a lot less problems and a lot less of the bull**** ‘us versus them’ mentality.

Until we can do that, we’ll be back here every time something like this happens going over the same old ground.

JUST HELP EACH OTHER OUT ON THE ROADS PLEASE, IT ISN’T HARD.

It turns out that no one here knows the detail of what actually happened though some have expressed opinion based upon a news paper article, others on personal knowledge of the road. Me included 'cyclist's intervention'.

The truth is that cyclists and motor cycle riders are very much at risk- motor car drivers, bus drivers, ute drivers, truck drivers can be either careful, or casual, or non-cognisant, or outright malicious when it comes to the safety of road users on two wheels. If statistical survey were to be conducted, I am going to put it out there that of the four separate categories of behaviour just outlined, drivers of four+ wheeled vehicles would overall be evenly split into at least one of these categories (I'll use the term attentiveness and another term malicious to summarise here) when getting behind the wheel- for a saturday shop, or a courier run, or road journey. You have to want to be careful in order to be careful. We all make mistakes of course, sometimes, this results in the blood of others.

Us and Them.
Polarities like this are very common as we all know. I find that inner city professional or 'intensive' push bike riders can demonstrate extreme aggression, or assertiviness at times. Thinking possibly along the lines of 'No! You Move out the way'. Generally, riders in rural or regional settings are well aware of the facts of physics and abide by 'stay out of harms way'. This is what I do whether I'm riding my Specialised road bike or my BMW R1100GS. I also hold HR and car licence and there are times when my patience has flown out the window when it comes to careless fools in other four wheeled vehicles.

We have all witnessed the full range of idiot behaviours.
From things like two wheeled de-baffled exhaust motor cycle riding fools doing warp speed wearing the obligatory singlet and thongs through a built up area, to idiot bicycle peletons hogging half a lane or more of a 100km/h stretch of the Kings Highway half way to Canberra, forcing road users to cross double lines against difficult to see oncoming traffic, to my personal favourite (while cycling) of having malicious mongrels try to grab the handlebar of my bike while I'm intent on riding up a hill, burning off those calories from last night's 'one too many', or creeping up behind me and strategically honking their horn just to watch my backside freak out and almost lose it. Being on a pushbike riding distances induces a trance like state of mind, warm muscles and a cool day- it is a pretty special state to be in. These are examples of intent.

Examples of carelessness are just as bad in their own way. For some reason, I have the bias that if a car or bike rider chooses to operate something very cheap, or cheap and poorly maintained, or overly blinged, or unnecessarily loud, or overly lifted- I tend to 'reach for my gun' meaning, I expect the worst at any given moment, I am on edge a little, or a lot. I slow down and get out of the way, sometimes stop and let them go their way praying no one up front is going to suffer. But carelessness goes by many names and it is one of the worst driver or rider traits in the lexicon. One can't really 'talk to' another person's discrete episode of carelessness but by direct counsel and direct consequence at, or shortly after the event. Careless people charmingly forget...Distracted people have other stuff on their minds.

And to those that hoot on about police and illegalities- only the presence of a uniform and a marked car, or the presence of surveillance is going to inhibit the worst of behaviours from driver and rider. 'Morality' is best left to evening chat in quiet settings.

In the present case, it is true we know little. We can imagine, but we can't opinion directly (to mangle the term into a verb).

Just my two cents worth.

Cheers
steu

Originally Posted by Svengali0

It turns out that no one here knows the detail of what actually happened though some have expressed opinion based upon a news paper article, others on personal knowledge of the road. Me included 'cyclist's intervention'.

The truth is that cyclists and motor cycle riders are very much at risk- motor car drivers, bus drivers, ute drivers, truck drivers can be either careful, or casual, or non-cognisant, or outright malicious when it comes to the safety of road users on two wheels. If statistical survey were to be conducted, I am going to put it out there that of the four separate categories of behaviour just outlined, drivers of four+ wheeled vehicles would overall be evenly split into at least one of these categories (I'll use the term attentiveness and another term malicious to summarise here) when getting behind the wheel- for a saturday shop, or a courier run, or road journey. You have to want to be careful in order to be careful. We all make mistakes of course, sometimes, this results in the blood of others.

Us and Them.
Polarities like this are very common as we all know. I find that inner city professional or 'intensive' push bike riders can demonstrate extreme aggression, or assertiviness at times. Thinking possibly along the lines of 'No! You Move out the way'. Generally, riders in rural or regional settings are well aware of the facts of physics and abide by 'stay out of harms way'. This is what I do whether I'm riding my Specialised road bike or my BMW R1100GS. I also hold HR and car licence and there are times when my patience has flown out the window when it comes to careless fools in other four wheeled vehicles.

We have all witnessed the full range of idiot behaviours.
From things like two wheeled de-baffled exhaust motor cycle riding fools doing warp speed wearing the obligatory singlet and thongs through a built up area, to idiot bicycle peletons hogging half a lane or more of a 100km/h stretch of the Kings Highway half way to Canberra, forcing road users to cross double lines against difficult to see oncoming traffic, to my personal favourite (while cycling) of having malicious mongrels try to grab the handlebar of my bike while I'm intent on riding up a hill, burning off those calories from last night's 'one too many', or creeping up behind me and strategically honking their horn just to watch my backside freak out and almost lose it. Being on a pushbike riding distances induces a trance like state of mind, warm muscles and a cool day- it is a pretty special state to be in. These are examples of intent.

Examples of carelessness are just as bad in their own way. For some reason, I have the bias that if a car or bike rider chooses to operate something very cheap, or cheap and poorly maintained, or overly blinged, or unnecessarily loud, or overly lifted- I tend to 'reach for my gun' meaning, I expect the worst at any given moment, I am on edge a little, or a lot. I slow down and get out of the way, sometimes stop and let them go their way praying no one up front is going to suffer. But carelessness goes by many names and it is one of the worst driver or rider traits in the lexicon. One can't really 'talk to' another person's discrete episode of carelessness but by direct counsel and direct consequence at, or shortly after the event. Careless people charmingly forget...Distracted people have other stuff on their minds.

And to those that hoot on about police and illegalities- only the presence of a uniform and a marked car, or the presence of surveillance is going to inhibit the worst of behaviours from driver and rider. 'Morality' is best left to evening chat in quiet settings.

In the present case, it is true we know little. We can imagine, but we can't opinion directly (to mangle the term into a verb).

Just my two cents worth.

Cheers
steu

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Originally Posted by fitzy

Is thus a shortened form of therefore ?

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Popcorn is cold already?

Originally Posted by NavyDiver

Popcorn is cold already?

Nope.

Ha , one way to deal with those annoying food scoots !