Swaggie
I recently enquired of Qld. Dept. of Transport & Main Roads if there were any plans to extend or modify the concessional registration scheme in light of the log book schemes operating in Victoria and NSW.
Here is the reply.
"In relation to changes to the SIV registration concession scheme, I wish to advise that TMR meets biannually with motoring organisations through the Motoring Organisation and Car Club (MOCC) forum. This forum provides an avenue for industry discussion about vehicle registration requirements under the SIV registration concession scheme. Representatives at the MOCC forum cover over 113 motoring clubs and more than 13,000 members. The option to introduce a log book system similar to Victoria and NSW has previously been considered by industry through TMR’s MOCC forum however, there was unanimous support from industry representatives to retain the scheme in its current state."
In about 2011 I was a delegate to one of these fora. The principal items discussed were police targeting and police harassment. This was from the Street Rodders and Street Machine and Custom Car clubs who expressed considerable concern about the numerous complaints from what their members saw as targeting and harassment of certain types of vehicle and certain events. The police traffic branch said their duty was to enforce the road rules, apply the law, and would continue to do so. That they would continue to target groups and events where there was a history of non-compliance. end of discussion.
Next was a long and mostly pointless discussion re aspects of the concessional scheme. Some minor changes and fine tuning was agreed to. The clubs in general are happy to have a scheme, any scheme, and are not willing to rock the boat. The Dept has intimated that the scheme exists principally because of the National Code of Practice to which the Dept (and all others) pay lip service. The bureaucrats consider the scheme serves no useful purpose, is something extra to administer, and costs the Govt. money by discounting registration to a relatively small number of people. The dept has said many times that it is not going to act as the membership police on behalf of the clubs and will continue to re-register SI vehicles without proof of current financial membership. This is up to the clubs to collect.
Last item was from the representative of a small noisy group who have been pushing the idea of a "Collector Plate" for some time. Their proposal is for one (or a pair) number plate to be issued to a collector/hobbyist which could be put on any SI vehicle they owned whenever they wanted to drive it. This will never get anywhere. Such a scheme is totally opposed by the CTP insurers and the Dept. and the police. It would require changes to insurance law and the Traffic Act. Not going to happen. The instigator and button pusher of this idea was a delegate from a one make club and gave his usual spiel about his pet scheme. He talks about people who have numerous vehicles but can not afford to register and use them. A collector plate would be advantageous to these. One of the more senior bureaucrats looked over his half-glasses ans asked 'Mr. xxxxxx, how many SI vehicles do you own/" The answer came quickly, " fifteen". The riposte "perhaps you could sell two or three of them and thus afford to register the rest." End of discussion.
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LordRover
SupporterYes the biggest hurdle are the bureaucrats - they have personal views which influence the policy rather than them implementing the policy. We are having similar issues bringing in new systems in the ACT.Originally Posted by Bigbjorn
Having said that the classic car owners representative bodies often do not represent the clubs as well as they should.
Garry
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Swaggie
The possibility of a plate, such as a trade plate, has been discussed at club level.
Sounds like a good idea, but isn't.
The log book scheme is the way to go.
Here in Vic., full registration for 365 days of the year works out to be about $1.80 per day. A club permit for 45 or 90 days of the year works out to be about $1.80 per day. Same cost per day as full registration but you just can't drive it each day every day. Oh, and you have to pay the club fees.
Maybe one day Queensland will catch up with the more progressive states.
ForumSage
Not sure why you think we need to catch anything. I can ( legally) drive my old car when ever I want for about 0.35c per day using your calculation method. There is obvious ( club level ) paperwork but I am quite happy with what the sunny state has now thankyou very much.
LordRover
SupporterI didn't realise you could drive your classic when ever you want on historic rego - even when not on club runs. So you can use your classic on historic rego to commute to work etc - if so I agree why would you want the type of concessional rego programs other states have.
garry
REMLR 243
2007 Range Rover Sport TDV6
1977 FC 101
1976 Jaguar XJ12C
1973 Haflinger AP700
1971 Jaguar V12 E-Type Series 3 Roadster
1957 Series 1 88"
1957 Series 1 88" Station Wagon
ForumSage
Not quite that simple and no, you cannot use your classic to commute. Under the guidelines you still have to be on a club run but that can involve as little as one car. Mine is registered through the Series Landy OWners club inc. and all that is required is that a trip request is submitted (with a trip number issued) and a trip report posted.
The classic example was my daughters wedding a couple of years ago. A couple of days prior to the day after.
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Swaggie
For a start the scheme is called Special Interest registration and is available to members of registered motoring clubs for vehicles over 30 years old. The vehicles can be used to travel to and from & participate in "approved events", to travel to and from a place of repair so long as the repairer is not an excessive distance from the address of record, or for road testing within 15k's of the address of record. The approved event does not have to be one hosted by your club. you ask your club committee to approve an event and if approved will be in the minutes of the meeting and your club newsletter. Use your nous and you could have an authorised event every weekend and get more use of your vehicle than on the logbook schemes.
Prior to 1998 there were three schemes operating in Queensland. Veteran Vehicle and Vintage Vehicle which commenced in the 1950's and are self-explanatory, and the Historic Vehicle scheme which commenced in 1979. These were issued with square black & white plates which are still in use but will not be re-issued if cancelled or damaged. The Historic scheme was for vehicles over 30 years and of historic significance, of great technical merit, rare, or a genuine classic. I imagine there were lists and guidelines to determine entry to the historic scheme. I do know of collectors/restorers who were put out by being refused historic rego for their pet.
In 1998 to comply with the National Code of Practice the SI scheme was introduced which is for any vehicle over 30. This opened the floodgates to all the cheap mass produced family cars of no great merit. Most were rubbish new and have not improved with cellaring. I would much rather the existing schemes were retained and kept the junk out of the collector/restorer hobby. Nor do I approve of private use such as the log book scheme approves. These are (or should be) motoring hobby cars not daily drivers. I more enjoyed the days when car shows were displays of quality cars.
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LordRover
SupporterSo in fact you cannot "I can ( legally) drive my old car when ever I want".
So really like any of the older Historic rego systems in the country - drive on club events and for repair/test/ usage runs - really not a lot different to the current ACT system but we do have a clause that says we are allowed to drive the car to visit friends
REMLR 243
2007 Range Rover Sport TDV6
1977 FC 101
1976 Jaguar XJ12C
1973 Haflinger AP700
1971 Jaguar V12 E-Type Series 3 Roadster
1957 Series 1 88"
1957 Series 1 88" Station Wagon
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