Thread: A sad day for Melbourne yesterday

I can't help but see parallels between this event and the Lindt Cafe seige.
Both "new Australians" from the middle east. Both entered Australia as refugees. Both had mental health issues.

This type of person is incompatible with our society and should be removed/isolated from it.

Originally Posted by rar110

Afghans came to this country in its early days and made a great contribution.

This is very similar to Anders Behring Breivik’s 2011 right wing killing rampage (85 dead I think) in Norway. Another disaffected misfit.

Previously and probably currently ISIS is very skilled at using media technology to reach out and give people a reason to exist, ie the disaffected, unemployed, mentally ill and others who have nothing to live for except going out in a blaze of glory.

It’s not new and also not too dissimilar to the cannon fodder of the IRA provos. Military tactics are ramping up there too.

The UK and US have home grown converts ready to do similar in the name of Islamic, Christian and right wing extremist ideologies.

Where this bloke came from is not central to the problem. It’s not that simple.

Anders Breivik always seems to be mentioned in any discussion of terrorism as it is difficult to come up with any other non-Muslim examples. The IRA campaign of the 1970s and 1980s was true terrorism in that it was intended to cow a population into pressuring their government toward a particular political outcome. It is incorrect to refer to the current global plague as 'terrorism' as it is not seeking any particular political outcome but is simply a cohort of people devoutly practicing the tenets of their religion. We're fortunate that most adherents of that religion do not take it seriously enough to be prepared to kill and die for it as it demands of them.

Originally Posted by V8Ian

As the law stands, if he has relinquished his original citizenship, to take Australian citizenship, we're stuck with him. The law does not allow the authorities to make anyone stateless.

If:
introducing a conditional clause:
synonyms:
on condition that, provided (that), providing (that), presuming (that), supposing (that), assuming (that), on the assumption that, allowing (that), as long as, given that, with the provision/proviso that, with/on the understanding that, if and only if, contingent on, in the event that, allowing that
"if the weather is fine, we can walk to the village".

Do you have information one way or the other? The information I have indicates he has retained his Afghani citizenship. i.e. has dual citizenship.
Monis became an Australian citizen in 2004, and was not *required to relinquish his Iranian citizenship. Similar thing for Saeed Noori.

Seems to be that drugs, alcohol and mental health issues are the ultimate excuse for bad behaviour, as a bonus all are grounds for an invalid pension.
Has this bloke ever contributed to the community he is hellbent on extracting revenge upon?

Originally Posted by V8Ian

Has this bloke ever contributed to the community he is hellbent on extracting revenge upon?

A few days back he reduced the number of immigrants in Melbourne.

Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh

A few days back he reduced the number of immigrants in Melbourne.

This country was built by immigrants, many are upstanding members of the community and arrived from all over Europe post WWII.

Originally Posted by V8Ian

This country was built by immigrants, many are upstanding members of the community and arrived from all over Europe post WWII.

Yes. I'm not anti immigrant. I'm just pointing out a number of the victims of Saeed's abhorrent attack were. He said he was after "Australians" but, in Melbourne in particular, the term "Australians" refers to people from an extremely diverse heritage.
So, in truth, Saeed's actions targeted people who had different beliefs than his. Beliefs that by many accounts are incompatible with Australian society. Beliefs that people similar to Saeed believe, Australians should be forced to adopt or die.

No-one is saying anyone has to adopt any beliefs. His terrible actions were those of a deluded person. His country of origin is irrelevant. Plenty of people born here have deluded beliefs. This is a mental health issue.