Pulled over by Police Woman - obstructed Rear View Mirror

**cjc_td5** · 22nd April 2018, 07:14 PM

Originally Posted by weeds

Nope, didn’t want to push the limits, I had to be somewhere and I doubt it changes the decision on the side of the road.

Too right there.

**Homestar** · 22nd April 2018, 07:17 PM

I always thought you didn’t even need an internal mirror if you had a left and right external mirror regardless of vehicle but never seen the actual law that says this or otherwise.

**weeds** · 22nd April 2018, 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by Homestar

I always thought you didn’t even need an internal mirror if you had a left and right external mirror regardless of vehicle but never seen the actual law that says this or otherwise.

Same here, I even have blind spot domes as well.

**Homestar** · 22nd April 2018, 07:25 PM

Ok, vehicles after 2006 require them as per ADR’s. Still looking for earlier ADR’s.

REQUIREMENTS FOR MA; MB; MC; AND MD1 VEHICLES ONLY
142.0 Any internal rear vision mirror fitted to a vehicle and intended to provide the driver with a view of following or overtaking vehicles shall have a flat reflecting surface i.e. of unit magnification.
14.2.1. An external mirror complying with the requirement of Clause 14.2.3 shall be fitted on the driver's side of the vehicle. An internal rear vision mirror shall also be provided except where the design of the motor vehicle does not provide for internal rear vision. In any case where the field of view requirements of Clause 14.2.2.1 are not met the vehicle shall be equipped with a passenger's side external rear vision mirror complying with Clause 14.2.3.

**Homestar** · 22nd April 2018, 07:33 PM

Vehicle design standards 1999 says for vehicles under 3.5 tonne GVM an external mirror on the RHS SHALL be fitted and a LHS external mirror OR internal mirror.

I’d interpret this as anything up to 2006 can get away without an internal mirror if it has both external mirrors.

Can’t seem to copy the text out if that one on my phone though.

Whole document - bottom of page 18 and top of 19. (30 and 31 of 155 of the document)
https://www.ntc.gov.au/Media/Reports...5AC7FCB36).pdf

**weeds** · 22nd April 2018, 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by Homestar

Vehicle design standards 1999 says for vehicles under 3.5 tonne GVM an external mirror on the RHS SHALL be fitted and a LHS external mirror OR internal mirror.

I’d interpret this as anything up to 2006 can get away without an internal mirror if it has both external mirrors.

Can’t seem to copy the text out if that one on my phone though.

Whole document - bottom of page 18.
https://www.ntc.gov.au/Media/Reports...5AC7FCB36).pdf

Any chance you can Post the link ??

**Homestar** · 22nd April 2018, 07:39 PM

Just updated my post with a link.

**Don 130** · 22nd April 2018, 07:42 PM

Because it's not possible to see through my aluminium canopy, I've removed my internal rear vision mirror. 1997 build. Now I wonder if I'm in jeopardy. I'll have to check.
Don.

**Tins** · 22nd April 2018, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by Homestar

An internal rear vision mirror shall also be provided except where the design of the motor vehicle does not provide for internal rear vision. In any case where the field of view requirements of Clause 14.2.2.1 are not met the vehicle shall be equipped with a passenger's side external rear vision mirror complying with Clause 14.2.3.

This is the operative line in this case, IMO.

FFS, this copper is telling us you cannot put a stack of cartons in the back of a station waggon or ute. She's nuts.

**bee utey** · 22nd April 2018, 07:46 PM

Road Transport (Vehicle Registration) Regulation 2017
Current version for 16 April 2018 to date (accessed 22 April 2018 at 20:23)

NSW Legislation

34 Rear vision mirrors(cf ALVSR 2015 r 34; 2007 reg Sch 2 cl 34)

(1) A rear vision mirror or mirrors must be fitted to a motor vehicle as required by this rule so that a driver of the vehicle can clearly see by reflection the road behind the vehicle and any following or overtaking vehicle.

(2) At least 1 rear vision mirror must be fitted to:

(a) a car, and

(b) a motor trike with 2 front wheels, and

(c) a motor bike, or motor trike with 1 front wheel, built before July 1975.

(3) At least 1 rear vision mirror must be fitted to each side of the motor vehicle:

(a) if the vehicle has a GVM over 3.5 tonnes, or

(b) if the vehicle is a motor bike, or motor trike with 1 front wheel, built after June 1975, or

(c) if the vehicle is constructed for the carriage of goods (not being a station wagon), or

(d) if the vehicle is a bus, or

(e) if the maximum width of any trailer or other vehicle drawn by the vehicle is greater than that of the vehicle, or

(f) if because of the manner in which the vehicle is constructed, equipped or loaded, or because of the fact that the vehicle is drawing a trailer or other vehicle, or for any other reason, the driver cannot, by means of a mirror fixed to the interior of the vehicle, have reflected to him or her as far as practicable a clear view of the road to the rear of the vehicle and of any following or overtaking vehicle.

(4) A motor vehicle with a GVM not over 3.5 tonnes (except a motor vehicle mentioned in subrule (2) or (3)) must be fitted with:

(a) at least 1 rear vision mirror on the right side of the vehicle, and

(b) at least 1 rear vision mirror on the left side of the vehicle or inside the vehicle.

(5) A rear vision mirror fitted to a motor vehicle with a GVM over 3.5 tonnes must not project over 150 millimetres beyond the widest part (excluding lights, signalling devices and reflectors) of the vehicle or combination.

(6) However, the rear vision mirror may project not over 230 millimetres beyond the widest part of the vehicle or combination if it can fold to project not over 150 millimetres beyond the overall width of the vehicle, measured in accordance with the prescribed dimension requirements applying to the vehicle.

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