Thread: Warakurna, W.A.'s first indigenous run police station

Yep and without real solutions. Why? Because I doubt anyone really knows what the solution is. We’ve all got opinions and sometimes some things worked, sometimes not. So we’ll go round and round because this is such a tough problem without clear proven method of how to resolve it. Much like ensuring that next Defender is reliable and to everyone’s satisfaction. An impossible task

The answers are abundantly clear to me. Self-determination works, if it’s allowed to. ...That’s why an Aboriginal police force in Warakurna is working.

This is an example of the perpetual problem, the opposite of self-determination: Turnbull government formally rejects proposal for Indigenous voice to Parliament | NITV

Originally Posted by Zeros

The answers are abundantly clear to me. Self-determination works, if it’s allowed to. ...That’s why an Aboriginal police force in Warakurna is working.

This is an example of the perpetual problem, the opposite of self-determination: Turnbull government formally rejects proposal for Indigenous voice to Parliament | NITV

Yep - the age old ...
"I've got a degree (and a Guvmint grant) - I know exactly how to fix all your problems!"

... Even though I've never lived in your community, or spoken to your elders, or asked you for your ideas.

Many people come out with the best of intentions, but they don't actually understand that they are more likely to be part of the problem, than part of the solution.

A really good book, and one which should be required reading for anyone whose work may put them in contact with indigenous people anywhere, is Why Warriors Lie Down and Die.

More info at: http://www.whywarriors.com.au/servic...-down-and-die/

"Why Warriors Lie Down and Die is essential reading for anyone interested in Indigenous peoples.
It offers deep insights for those who want a greater understanding of the issues involved in achieving true reconciliation, and provides hope and new direction for those searching for the answers as to why “the problems” seems to persist in Aboriginal communities.

In Arnhem Land, as in Indigenous communities across Australia, the situation is dire. Indigenous health in Australia is now so bad that 45% of Aboriginal men and 34% of women die before the age of 45. Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people are also massively over-represented in the criminal justice system. Western Australia incarcerates the Aboriginal peoples of its State at 9 times the rate of Apartheid South Africa.

Why Warriors Lie Down and Die provides a fresh analysis of this crisis and offers examples of how Indigenous people can once again take control of their own lives.

Finding the real causes requires the reader to look at it from the other side of the cultural / language divide – the side where the Yolngu people live. The book Why Warriors Lie Down and Die takes us to that side.

Told using a blend of critical and exploratory thinking, deep understanding of Yolngu culture, personal experience and powerful story-telling, Why Warriors is used by universities and schools across the country. This is a book for every Australian and is considered by many to be the essential handbook for people working in cross-cultural environments with Aboriginal peoples."

The referance to apartheid with the incarceration rate in WA is just Gibberish and left wing sensationalism as it has absolutely Nothing to do with why these aborigines are in jail.
The reason why they are in jail is that they broke the law its as simple as that and for many of them it took many offences before they finally got incarcerated.

Originally Posted by donh54

Yep - the age old ...
"I've got a degree (and a Guvmint grant) - I know exactly how to fix all your problems!"

... Even though I've never lived in your community, or spoken to your elders, or asked you for your ideas.

Many people come out with the best of intentions, but they don't actually understand that they are more likely to be part of the problem, than part of the solution.

Yes Don, this is the perpetual problem, ever since 1788. ...The whole point of self-determination is to counteract this.

Sometimes....There can be a downward spiral, where poverty and crime go hand in hand.

It is very easy for you to say this because you are not in that situation. But just imagine if you were an aboriginal, would you have many shots to "get your life back"? You know what I am saying.

I think Australia is a great country where there is a safety net in our society so people who committed crime or done something stupid will not fall to rock bottom and stay there. The safety net should be available to everybody.

In terms of equality, there are vertical equity and horizontal equity.

Vertical equity means your share of duty/burden should be proportionate to your ability. For example, a doctor who committed crime shall be severely punished because he is usually considered role modle and should know better.

Horizontal equity means people in same situation should have the same burden/punishment/tax.

So if you were born an aboringal, you are more likely to commit crim and if you do, you should get less of a punishment.

Originally Posted by trout1105

The referance to apartheid with the incarceration rate in WA is just Gibberish and left wing sensationalism as it has absolutely Nothing to do with why these aborigines are in jail.
The reason why they are in jail is that they broke the law its as simple as that and for many of them it took many offences before they finally got incarcerated.

The laws in Australia are for EVERY Australian regardless of race colour or creed and to have differant laws/punishment based simply on Race IS Racist and is unacceptable.
I personally have been on the bones of my arse many times over the last 60 odd years and i most certainly didnt come from an affluent family and i Never turned to crime out of need or anger I simply made do and worked hard to make my life better.
If i can do this i can't see a problem with anyone else doing the same, It is simply BS to blame ones own poverty on everyone else and crimnal behaviour and vandalism is certainly Not the answer.
For a lot of people the concept of working for a living is something that they find abhorrent and they much prefer to survive on government handouts and blame the World for their problems.
These people need to get off their fat arses and do something themselves about improving their lot instead of expecting everyone else to do it for them.

The laws definitely apply to everyone but it is very important to know the context of that crime committed.

I was referring to the sentencing, the judge has been) or should consider what I have said in a progressive society, which Australian is so proud of.

Originally Posted by trout1105

The laws in Australia are for EVERY Australian regardless of race colour or creed and to have differant laws/punishment based simply on Race IS Racist and is unacceptable.
I personally have been on the bones of my arse many times over the last 60 odd years and i most certainly didnt come from an affluent family and i Never turned to crime out of need or anger I simply made do and worked hard to make my life better.
If i can do this i can't see a problem with anyone else doing the same, It is simply BS to blame ones own poverty on everyone else and crimnal behaviour and vandalism is certainly Not the answer.
For a lot of people the concept of working for a living is something that they find abhorrent and they much prefer to survive on government handouts and blame the World for their problems.
These people need to get off their fat arses and do something themselves about improving their lot instead of expecting everyone else to do it for them.