SHOULDN'T WE BE SERIOUSLY STOPPING OUR POPULATION GROWTH?

I am also not in favour of the current rate of immigration but my reasoning is the lack of associated infrastructure and the rabid insistence by consecutive governments to have us all living on top of each other. In a country the size of Australia there is no reason to build whole suburbs of high rise apartments. My local area, which is on a train line now resembles a third world ghetto of the future with over 15,000 units being built and a further 5,000 just been approved.

Maybe the immigrants, many of which are Asians in my area, don't know any other type of housing and are happy to live in multi-story mayhem. There is no associated school expansion, any new hospitals, you can't even get on the train, bus or ferry in the morning or afternoon and yet they keep building more.

I don't think there is a food shortage when as much as 40% of crops get ploughed back in or rejected because the consumer society dictated by the supermarkets have brainwashed the population into thinking all carrots for example are 6-10 inched long, perfectly straight and have no blemished or bumps.

Up to two-fifths of fruit and veg crop is wasted because it is 'ugly', report finds | Environment | The Guardian

I watched Landline I think it was where nearly half a carrot farmer's harvest was being thrown out because they did not meet the standard that Coles and Woolies set. And this is the case for a whole range of fruit and vegetables. There will come a day when we won't be able to produce enough food but it is not right now

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The world will get to the point where we actually stop ripping up rainforest and Bush to graze cattle and use far less water feeding far far more people with vegies. Its bloody simple. I like l beef but haven't eaten it for a long time. Never felt fitter. Eventually the fact that we like cow won't be enough to justify actually farming and eating it. Now flame on cause this is a deeply unpopular view in the worlds biggest meat exporting country.

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Yep, I think it's inevitable that vegetarianism will become compulsory at some point in the future because of the damage caused by grazing animals for consumption, one of the reasons for turning vast areas into deserts. Mind you, I do like a juicy steak, so I'm not applauding this change, I just think its inevitable.

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Yep, I think it's inevitable that vegetarianism will become compulsory at some point in the future because of the damage caused by grazing animals for consumption, one of the reasons for turning vast areas into deserts. Mind you, I do like a juicy steak, so I'm not applauding this change, I just think its inevitable.

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Would love to see someone brave enough to make that call - they'd end up on the menu themselves...

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The world will get to the point where we actually stop ripping up rainforest and Bush to graze cattle and use far less water feeding far far more people with vegies. Its bloody simple. I like l beef but haven't eaten it for a long time. Never felt fitter. Eventually the fact that we like cow won't be enough to justify actually farming and eating it. Now flame on cause this is a deeply unpopular view in the worlds biggest meat exporting country.

Cheers

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Yep, and 95% of the population still eat meat, so let me know how you get on with changing that. 😉

I'll be at the rally on the other side of the fence with the crowds opposing it. 👍

Even in India - the worlds largest population of vegetarians, there's still more than 60% eat meat.

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Yep, and 95% of the population still eat meat, so let me know how you get on with changing that. [emoji6]

I'll be at the rally on the other side of the fence with the crowds opposing it. [emoji106]

Even in India - the worlds largest population of vegetarians, there's still more than 60% eat meat.

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That's your right...for now. There will come a time, perhaps 50 years perhaps 100, but it is inevitable that stopping meat production for the good of the world will happen. It's funny how challenged people feel when I say no thanks to steak and help myself to veg and salad... I dont try to convert people but if a topic like this is raised I will post. We could run fossil fueled vehicles for the next few hundred years if we all stopped eating meat. It's just that easy. I know it won't happen in my lifetime but it will eventually. The output from bovine, pig etc is not sustainable. The clearing is obscene because the hard truth is we dont need meat to live a healthy life.

Cheers

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Originally Posted by Zeros

First step: stop using drinking water for showering, washing, industry, agriculture, etc. use recycled water.

Second step: stop wasting vast quantity’s of food.

Third step: welcome all of those less fortunate and share. Greed kills.

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arghhhh utopia

several hundred thousand years of experience shows human nature will never allow it...

even the most ancient civialisations were all conflict driven

nothings changed :p

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arghhhh utopia

several hundred thousand years of experience shows human nature will never allow it...

even the most ancient civialisations were all conflict driven

nothings changed :p

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Utopia?...it’s already here. ...enjoy/exploit it while it lasts appears to be the dominant mantra.

Ultimately I reckon we’ll grudgingly realise that it’s our current way of life that’s utopian and unsustainable.

Otherwise climate driven conflict will most likely be our swan song.

I fail to see how posts suggesting that compulsory vegetarianism would do much to control population growth.

If you want to eat weeds then good but if you want food to figure in population control then a far more effective solution would be to institute compulsory cannibalism or fight like **** over whatever other food is about.

I guarantee one, the other or both of these suggestions will bring the population down.

Now for some bacon on toast for brekky.

I've lived in situations where only drinking and cooking water was filtered and it's not a problem. In Thailand we used to buy 20 litres of drinking water for 10 cents. Every street had a drinking water business. Anyone on tank water knows how it works. We drink less than five percent of the water we use.
As for not eating meat, I'm not calling for it to happen because I like meat, but I think it is inevitable that grazing hard-hoofed animals will be phased out. I'm happy to eat roo.
Eating vegetables can be a very satisfying experience - there are some great recipes around.

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That's your right...for now. There will come a time, perhaps 50 years perhaps 100, but it is inevitable that stopping meat production for the good of the world will happen. It's funny how challenged people feel when I say no thanks to steak and help myself to veg and salad... I dont try to convert people but if a topic like this is raised I will post. We could run fossil fueled vehicles for the next few hundred years if we all stopped eating meat. It's just that easy. I know it won't happen in my lifetime but it will eventually. The output from bovine, pig etc is not sustainable. The clearing is obscene because the hard truth is we dont need meat to live a healthy life.

Cheers

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Yes intensified agriculture leaves a footprint, wether it is animals or crops, but you look at “free range” grazing and all your facts go down the drain, like the inaccurate rubbish they are.

Grazing in Queensland is carbon neutral at worst and most businesses will sequester more carbon than they produce, oh that’s right the government claims ownership of our resources to offset emissions by all the people in the cities and then claim we are destroying the environment!!!

Funny how that works.....