SHOULDN'T WE BE SERIOUSLY STOPPING OUR POPULATION GROWTH?

I fail to see how vegetarianism can cause such anger to the point of war mongering!?😳

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Originally Posted by ozscott

The world will get to the point where we actually stop ripping up rainforest and Bush to graze cattle and use far less water feeding far far more people with vegies. Its bloody simple. I like l beef but haven't eaten it for a long time. Never felt fitter. Eventually the fact that we like cow won't be enough to justify actually farming and eating it. Now flame on cause this is a deeply unpopular view in the worlds biggest meat exporting country.

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With most grazing be free range/rangeland grazing and most farms being irrigated I am unsure how you can make your statement.

Add into that that a vast amount of grazing cattle happens on land that is not suitable for cropping and once again your statements fail any common sense evaluation.

Thinking that you will find that most of the clearing of the worlds rainforest is happening for crops like soy or palm kernel and not grazing.

Thinking you have already found your little drug induced utopia void of any facts....

Advocating people compulsory adopt any lifestyle (religion, political view point, culture) is no different to war mongering. People who don't agree with your 'perfectly sensible solutions' will not adopt them.

They will disagree at first, they will resist next and finally they will fight against it. You see it all other world. Has been that way in the past. Will be that way in the future.

People don't act in the best interests of the world they act in self interest. Always have, always will.

Remove cattle and sheep from a property, leave it for a decade and be amazed at how fast even bare earth revegetates.

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Originally Posted by Ferret

Advocating people compulsory adopt any lifestyle (religion, political view point, culture) is no different to war mongering. People who don't agree with your 'perfectly sensible solutions' will not adopt them.

They will disagree at first, they will resist next and finally they will fight against it. You see it all other world. Has been that way in the past. Will be that way in the future.

People don't act in the best interests of the world they act in self interest. Always have, always will.

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Correct. The majority of people are selfish. That is the problem.

Whether they are vegetarian or not has nothing to do with it.

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

Remove cattle and sheep from a property, leave it for a decade and be amazed at how fast even bare earth revegetates.

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That is like saying “stop all the people from using water out of our dams and see how much water they retain”

100% factual yet totally useless point....

I have also seen property that has had no livestock on it for over 30 years that is full of erosion due to any decent ground cover by grass to stop erosion and is in very poor condition compared to the property through the fence.

That is of course before the destruction that will occur when they burn and nearly the same amount of emissions will escape directly into the atmosphere without producing anything.

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Originally Posted by ozscott

That's your right...for now. There will come a time, perhaps 50 years perhaps 100, but it is inevitable that stopping meat production for the good of the world will happen. It's funny how challenged people feel when I say no thanks to steak and help myself to veg and salad... I dont try to convert people but if a topic like this is raised I will post. We could run fossil fueled vehicles for the next few hundred years if we all stopped eating meat. It's just that easy. I know it won't happen in my lifetime but it will eventually. The output from bovine, pig etc is not sustainable. The clearing is obscene because the hard truth is we dont need meat to live a healthy life.

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Knock yourself out in 50 years, I'll put it in my calandar now. 😆

The truth is we don't need a lot of what we have to live a healthy life - where do you start and stop. Don't need large houses, large blocks of land, takeaway food, alcohol, smokes, Land Rovers, more than 1 car per family, recreation grounds, parks, pets, couches, knives and forks, toilet paper...

Where do you stop? All the things I've listed above have a negative impact on the world - maybe we should just go back to living in a cave eating and you can eat weeds while I eat what eats the weeds...

Homstar Food and shelter are needs of course not wants and yes you are dead right we are all consuming things that are not good for the planet.

As for the other meat positive comments... I get that true long paddock and free range beast production is fairly neutral (save for erosion and farts) but setting that aside my comments were about clearing and there has been and continues to be far too much especially in South America. Also we are a fresh water challenged country and the unpalatable truth is that it takes a lot of water to get a cow to the plate. And a lot of vegetables and grains that could be feeding people. Meat production especially in times of low rain and when fattening in feedlots is very water and grain intensive and, again, it will eventually be sin binned as not sustainable. I grew up in a family where we grew and slaughtered our own beef and loved a steak at much as anyone but I can see it's not sustainable especially at the rate of uptake and given the world's huge rate of growth. But no, let's just ignore the facts and...I know...start selling Big Macs at breakfast time cause christ knows we just cant wait until 11.30am to get one...

Cheers

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Originally Posted by Ferret

Advocating people compulsory adopt any lifestyle (religion, political view point, culture) is no different to war mongering. People who don't agree with your 'perfectly sensible solutions' will not adopt them.

They will disagree at first, they will resist next and finally they will fight against it. You see it all other world. Has been that way in the past. Will be that way in the future.

People don't act in the best interests of the world they act in self interest. Always have, always will.

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It's easy. Governments will eventually stop clearing for cattle.production and reduce water allowances save for vegetable and grain production for human consumption. Eventually meat supplies will drop and the cost of a steak will became prohibitive and people will turn to veg. So meat won't be banned as such but it might as well be.

Cheers