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15th October 2018, 10:37 PM
incisor

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Originally Posted by johntins

If you believe that I'm influenced by shock jocks, then you need to spend more time getting to know the people who pay you. I have no idea what a shock jock thinks, as I refuse to listen to them.

As to facts: they are reported pretty much every day. Bjorn Lomberg cannot speak. Bettina Arndt cannot speak. Milo Yiannopolous cannot speak. Christopher Monckton cannot speak. I can go on, at length if needed. The issue is NOT whether you agree with people like this. The issue is that they have as much right to speak as anyone else.

If you truly want to debate me on this topic, I suggest we do it off list. I look forward to it.

I don't know what your influenced by...

I simply asked a question in an attempt to find out where your coming from.. because it's a line often touted by those you say you don't listen to.
15th October 2018, 10:43 PM
incisor

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Originally Posted by johntins

I believe that there was sufficient abuse of belief, abuse of public figures in this thread to require it to be moved to CA. Is that clear enough for you? I don't expect or need the Mods to agree with me, but I would like a response from the Mods in general, seeing as how "consensus" is your standard, as you have stated.

Perhaps further debate should be 'off list'.

the fact that the thread is still here means that so far the consensus is that it is within the guidelines at this point or that consensus hasn't been achieved as yet and the thread hasn't reached the point where it needs to be taken from public view until it is reached.
15th October 2018, 10:44 PM
Tins

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Originally Posted by incisor

I don't know what your influenced by...

I simply asked a question in an attempt to find out where your coming from.. because it's a line often touted by those you say you don't listen to.

It's a line "touted" by around 50% or more of the population, Dave. Because you don't see it doesn't make it any less valid.

The "question" was a poor one, as you have had occasion to know "where I am coming from" for some time now. I guess that lack might tell us how much you pay attention. Your choice, of course, but it makes me ask; why did you choose to bob in here? You don't usually.
15th October 2018, 10:57 PM
incisor

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Originally Posted by johntins

It's a line "touted" by around 50% or more of the population, Dave. Because you don't see it doesn't make it any less valid.

The "question" was a poor one, as you have had occasion to know "where I am coming from" for some time now. I guess that lack might tell us how much you pay attention. Your choice, of course, but it makes me ask; why did you choose to bob in here? You don't usually.

I was trying to work out your agenda to be frank... and I've found it thanks.

enjoy your night....
15th October 2018, 10:58 PM
Eevo

everyone is entitled to their beliefs
i believe there are two genders
i believe i'll have another drink
15th October 2018, 10:58 PM
Tins

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Originally Posted by incisor

the fact that the thread is still here means that so far the consensus is that it is within the guidelines at this point or that consensus hasn't been achieved as yet and the thread hasn't reached the point where it needs to be taken from public view until it is reached.

Fine, Dave. I don't have a problem with that, as a perusal of what I have said will reveal. However, Mick's suggestion that I should "report the thread" suggests he was unaware that I had. Why is that so hard to understand?

What's more, why does it take something like this to let us know that it's a "consensus" as to whether a thread is within guidelines? What is the point of "guidelines" if they are consensus based? Who chooses what the "consensus" is? Who votes for the Mods who form this "consensus"?

Here's a thought: How about some rules? Clearly defined, non negotiable rules? Nothing I've seen so far suggests that this concept has been considered.
15th October 2018, 11:01 PM
Tins

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Originally Posted by incisor

I was trying to work out your agenda to be frank... and I've found it thanks.

enjoy your night....

Oh dear.. My agenda??? Fairness in debate, if you must find one. It's all I have ever asked for. It is what I have never found.
15th October 2018, 11:20 PM
incisor

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Originally Posted by johntins

Fine, Dave. I don't have a problem with that, as a perusal of what I have said will reveal. However, Mick's suggestion that I should "report the thread" suggests he was unaware that I had. Why is that so hard to understand?

no one had commented on the report and I personally didn't see it till I went specifically looking for it so for whatever reason the report didn't generate any heat shall we say.

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Originally Posted by johntins

What's more, why does it take something like this to let us know that it's a "consensus" as to whether a thread is within guidelines? What is the point of "guidelines" if they are consensus based? Who chooses what the "consensus" is? Who votes for the Mods who form this "consensus"?

Here's a thought: How about some rules? Clearly defined, non negotiable rules? Nothing I've seen so far suggests that this concept has been considered.

actually we have heaps of guidelines , some are definitely not negotiable, and some that are seen to be borderline, such as this thread, are subject to the consensus thing.

sometimes consensus is hard to achieve as there is a very broad spectrum of outlooks held by the various mods and admins

anyone that thinks they are sycophants is way way way off the mark

up until a few years ago things were very authoritarian and arbitrary but there was a rebellion of sorts

as a result the mods and admins decided that we would try to perfect a less arbitrary approach, and that brings us to were we are today.

from where I am sitting the place runs a lot smoother than it used to but it certainly isn't perfect by any means as sometimes things simply don't or can't happen quickly enough for my liking

it is a work in progress, as it always has been.

if you notice personal attacks report them, that way that have to be discussed by the mods.

I leave the day to day moderation to them, unless something like this catches my eye, as I am usually too busy trying to keep the place running in the background etc etc etc

railing against the system is fine, giving me crap is fine, it's worries me naught.

start giving the volunteers that give endlessly of their time to keep this place on the tracks a hard time and you'll find I'm not so understanding.

cheers
16th October 2018, 08:20 AM
Mick_Marsh

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Originally Posted by johntins

Fine, Dave. I don't have a problem with that, as a perusal of what I have said will reveal. However, Mick's suggestion that I should "report the thread" suggests he was unaware that I had. Why is that so hard to understand?

Ah, John, when a post is reported, it usually results in in some action taken against the poster. I was aware you had reported a post. This is the one you reported:

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Originally Posted by johntins

Is it just me, or does anyone else think that threads like this should go straight to CA?

Can you please advise which rule has been broken so points can be awarded to the poster.

John, you are entitled to your opinion. Everybody is entitled to an opinion. If an opinion offends you so much, don't try to get that opinion removed, shouted down. Move on.
You suggest a post has contravened the rules. Find THAT POST and report it.
16th October 2018, 11:05 AM
grey_ghost

It is my opinion that I love my Land Rovers. They are all different, behave differently - but I love them anyway. [emoji3]

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