Gender neutral

In the army many years ago this was all very easy to sort out.
If you were not certain of a persons orientation...………...go watch them take a squirt.
If they stood up...…..male
If they hunched over....female
Naturally Its easy and the way the real world works.
How a person wants to present themselves to the world is another matter.
I may be pollically incorrect and old fashion, its simple , its nature, its real world and besides its all to hard to keep up to the constant changing letters IGBlCXYZ or what ever it is now.
In the old days it it was a poofer or a lesso…...simple.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/mcki...n-world-title/

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Originally Posted by travelrover

Hi Arapiles. Maybe they do want to know but interestingly there is no sex/gender on a NSW drivers license.

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My QLD licence still has M on it, but we're a bit behind the gender neutral bandwagon up here, I guess.

It used to be funny marking class rolls at the university in Thailand. You would say a male name and the most beautiful person in the room would stand up. Everyone would have a giggle, including me, and we'd move on.

I found this clip of Camille Paglia after a quick YouTube search (links to other clips of hers too) who has studied this topic extensively (since the 1960’s) and this is her take on things;

“Mainstreaming gender fluidity always occurs in the late stages of civilisations, just before societal collapse.”

Let’s hope she is wrong!

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I have heard people claim it is normal for about 10% of a population to be gender fluid, but I have no idea how that could be confirmed.

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Originally Posted by cripesamighty

I found this clip of Camille Paglia after a quick YouTube search...........

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Oh, some of Camille's quotes:

If civilization had been left in female hands, we would still be living in grass huts.

There is no female Mozart because there is no female Jack the Ripper.

Let's get rid of Infirmary Feminism, with its bedlam of bellyachers, anorexics, bulimics, depressives, rape victims, and incest survivors. Feminism has become a catch-all vegetable drawer where bunches of clingy sob sisters can store their mouldy neuroses.

Society is a system of inherited forms reducing our humiliating passivity to nature. We may alter these forms, slowly or suddenly, but no change in society will change nature.

Western culture from the start has swerved from femaleness. The last western society to worship female powers was Minoan Crete. And significantly, that fell and did not rise again.

Here Wikipedia entry looks very interesting. I'll read that on the weekend.

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Originally Posted by cripesamighty

I found this clip of Camille Paglia after a quick YouTube search (links to other clips of hers too) who has studied this topic extensively (since the 1960’s) and this is her take on things;

“Mainstreaming gender fluidity always occurs in the late stages of civilisations, just before societal collapse.”

Let’s hope she is wrong!

YouTube

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Very interesting stuff.... i think she sums it up well! Scary prospect for our civilisation

I read several books (different authors) about a decade ago that discussed what sort of societal norms take hold at the tail end of civilisations. Hers was just the first link I saw. There are a number of others who have written about this if you do a quick search. Camille has been arguing about how Feminism has been hijacked since the late 1960’s. From what I gather, she is all for giving women equal opportunities as men to pursue whatever they choose to do, but without bringing down society in the process. For instance, one of her role models growing up was Amelia Earhart.

Mick, some quotes from many of the women that Camille has had arguments with in the past (by her own words, some have been screaming matches) and why she doesn’t see eye to eye with them.


“Being a housewife is an illegitimate profession… The choice to serve and be protected and plan towards being a family-maker is a choice that shouldn’t be. The heart of radical feminism is to change that.” — Vivian Gornick, feminist author, University of Illinois

“The nuclear family must be destroyed… Whatever its ultimate meaning, the break-up of families now is an objectively revolutionary process.” — Linda Gordon

“All men are rapists and that’s all they are” — Marilyn French, Authoress; (later, advisoress to Al Gore’s Presidential Campaign.)

“I feel that ‘man-hating’ is an honourable and viable political act” – Robin Morgan, Ms. Magazine Editor

“To call a man an animal is to flatter him; he’s a machine, a walking dildo.” -– Valerie Solanas

“I want to see a man beaten to a bloody pulp with a high-heel shoved in his mouth, like an apple in the mouth of a pig.” — Andrea Dworkin

“We can’t destroy the inequities between men and women until we destroy marriage.” — Robin Morgan

“Feminism is the theory, lesbianism is the practice.” — Ti-Grace Atkinson

“Marriage as an institution developed from rape as a practice.” — Andrea Dworkin

“In a patriarchal society, all heterosexual intercourse is rape because women, as a group, are not strong enough to give meaningful consent.” — Catherine MacKinnon

“The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race.” — Sally Miller Gearhart

“Probably the only place where a man can feel really secure is in a maximum security prison, except for the imminent threat of release.” — Germaine Greer.

“The male is a domestic animal which, if treated with firmness…can be trained to do most things.” — Jilly Cooper, SCUM (Society For Cutting Up Men)

I have little sympathy for Men. Like a Jew just released from Dachau, I watch the handsome young Nazi soldier fall writhing to the ground with a bullet in his stomach and I look briefly and walk on. I don’t even need to shrug. I simply don’t care. What he was, as a person, I mean, what his shames and yearnings were, simply don’t matter.” — Marilyn French

“The most merciful thing a large family can do to one of its infant members is to kill it.” — Margaret Sanger

“Heterosexual intercourse is the pure, formalized expression of contempt for women’s bodies.” — Andrea Dworkin

“In order to raise children with equality, we must take them away from families and communally raise them” (Dr. Mary Jo Bane, feminist and assistant professor of education at Wellesley College, and associate director of the school’s Center for Research on Woman).

“If life is to survive on this planet, there must be a decontamination of the Earth. I think this will be accompanied by an evolutionary process that will result in a drastic reduction of the population of males.” –Mary Daly

“The end of the institution of marriage is a necessary condition for the liberation of women. Therefore it is important for us to encourage women to leave their husbands and not to live individually with men…. All of history must be re-written in terms of oppression of women. (from “The Declaration of Feminism,” November, 1971).

Oh, dear........

Mind you, I've met some that fit this quote:
“The male is a domestic animal which, if treated with firmness…can be trained to do most things.”