Gender neutral

**cripesamighty** · 16th October 2018, 08:06 PM

Had dinner with a couple of old uni friends who are now academics in the Humanities. Both work out of state so it was nice to catch up with them and their partners over a bottle of wine or three. They have been getting more and more frustrated with the increasing extremism in their respected fields and the stifling of reasoned discussion. It's getting so they can't do certain research for fear of upsetting the now radicalised 'status quo'.

Most people commenting in this thread want what's best for the average person out there, regardless of colour, creed, sexual orientation, etc because that is pretty much the Australian way. Unfortunately, ideas like Equal Rights, Feminism, Gender Equality, etc, have now been hijacked by radicals who are holed up in Academia, and they have totally bastardised these terms out of all proportion to what the average person thinks they mean. The links below, were discussed last night, and both my friends' comment were - wish I had thought of doing that! Sadly, this is the state of affairs in certain Social Science fields at the moment and that's not a good thing. I hope those three academics below get more exposure so people are aware of the slippery slope we are on, and hold those responsible to account.

Two links with a quick overview of what these three acadmeics did....
Fake academic scandal: Adolf Hitler’s Mein Kampf words used in embarrassing journal hoax | The West Australian

Academics: Peer-reviewed journals prove bias by publishing fake studies

A more in-depth article with their methodology and their reasoning...
Academic Grievance Studies and the Corruption of Scholarship - Areo

**Arapiles** · 18th October 2018, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by bee utey

They aren't a lie, they just don't 100% guarantee the expected binary outcome.

There's also more combinations than XY or XX - I thought that was fairly general knowledge?

**Arapiles** · 18th October 2018, 06:39 PM

Originally Posted by johntins

What nonsense. He has only been ridiculed by ideologues. He says that gender is not a social construct, and he is absolutely correct.

Sorry, by definition "gender" is a social construct. Sex is biological, and the use of "gender" on forms when they mean "sex" may have been well-meaning but is actually wrong. I sometimes correct the forms ...

**Arapiles** · 18th October 2018, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by Ferret

Already goes on.

Activistists that identify as Deaf (note the capital D) oppose the fitting of medical devices to deaf children on the basis they will miss out on being deaf.

Used to, apparently, or less so now ... for the record, I have a hearing loss and wear hearing aids.

Edit: apparently it was cochlear implants that were what some deaf people objected to:

Deaf Culture and Cochlear Implants: Genocide or Salvation? | Time

**travelrover** · 18th October 2018, 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by Arapiles

Sorry, by definition "gender" is a social construct. Sex is biological, and the use of "gender" on forms when they mean "sex" may have been well-meaning but is actually wrong. I sometimes correct the forms ...

You may wish to let the RMS know, they are spending around $500,000 of tax payers money updating their ‘drives’ software to be able to handle gender neutral as a third option. Am sure other Gov departments are spending big time on similar projects!

**Arapiles** · 18th October 2018, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by travelrover

You may wish to let the RMS know, they are spending around $500,000 of tax payers money updating their ‘drives’ software to be able to handle gender neutral as a third option. Am sure other Gov departments are spending big time on similar projects!

Wouldn't surprise me. "Sex" means male or female, or intersex for that matter (i.e., XXY, X0). Gender is "masculine", "feminine" and the other genders. Maybe the RMS do actually want to know what gender people assign to themselves, rather than their sex?

**travelrover** · 18th October 2018, 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by Arapiles

Wouldn't surprise me. "Sex" means male or female, or intersex for that matter (i.e., XXY, X0). Gender is "masculine", "feminine" and the other genders. Maybe the RMS do actually want to know what gender people assign to themselves, rather than their sex?

Hi Arapiles. Maybe they do want to know but interestingly there is no sex/gender on a NSW drivers license.

**Arapiles** · 18th October 2018, 11:15 PM

Originally Posted by travelrover

Hi Arapiles. Maybe they do want to know but interestingly there is no sex/gender on a NSW drivers license.

Then you'd have to wonder what the purpose of collecting the information is!

**Eevo** · 18th October 2018, 11:25 PM

Originally Posted by travelrover

Hi Arapiles. Maybe they do want to know but interestingly there is no sex/gender on a NSW drivers license.

wasnt it only recently removed?

**travelrover** · 19th October 2018, 06:36 AM

Originally Posted by Arapiles

Then you'd have to wonder what the purpose of collecting the information is!

Its the same database the police use so there could be a number of motives I guess.

@ Eevo, not sure about that detail on the drivers license. I dont recall noticing it but then i dont recall ever having looked for it! How many people notice there are three separate unique numbers on them (NSW anyway) now days (front and back)? I guess fire arms and boating licences would be the same.

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