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    Quote Originally Posted by DAMINK View Post
    It becomes a problem when they ask and expect the world to know there identification ie those or them as apposed to her or him.

    We are coded to know the difference between men and woman. Many identifiers are subtle not just the genitals.

    Its unreasonable for people to expect this.

    I can think of a recent video i watched where a lady asked she be identified as Them or Those.

    When i was a kid that was WRONG! Stereotyping infact.

    This same woman assumed the man she was talking to was a man. Interesting no? He cant assume she is a woman but she can assume he is a man.

    Gone are the days of common sense and rational thinking.

    Minorities rule this world.
    That's plural which is grammatically wrong. It's also third person which is wrong as it should be second person singular. Just say 'You' which is singular. Don't say 'youse' which is ocker bogan. Gender neutral

    I've seen it claimed that about 10% of people surveyed feel they are trapped in a body of the wrong gender, but I don't know how that could be verified.
    We have one in our family. Anyone who is rude to that person will get an ear-bashing from me. It's something only that person can work through, I reckon. No-one else's business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoMick View Post
    I've seen it claimed that about 10% of people surveyed feel they are trapped in a body of the wrong gender, but I don't know how that could be verified.
    Admittedly, for quite a while I felt like a male trapped in a females body. But then I was born.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAMINK View Post
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    Why? I googled your old cheese, you should make a movie. Pretty crazy **** to be brought up with. Is he still alive if you don't mind me asking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LRJim View Post
    Why? I googled your old cheese, you should make a movie. Pretty crazy **** to be brought up with. Is he still alive if you don't mind me asking?
    On advice from Inc.

    Yes he is still alive. Fit as a fiddle the old bugger. Never stopped visiting him from the time he went in actually.
    And yea there is MUCH talk of a book deal. They have written a few things on him but never in any real detail.
    He is and always has been rather reluctant to do so for fear of putting his kids in danger. Me i could not care less really.
    Some stuff was really sensitive back in the day. Trials were ongoing etc. But this was a lifetime ago now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAMINK View Post
    On advice from Inc.
    Fair enough wasn't really G rated. But I hope a few people got a read or Google. I mentioned his name to my wife who's right into crime stories. And she's heard all about your old man. I'm not gonna bang on about it but I think you've come along way from an upbringing like that! I know were I'd be if that was my childhood.

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    A quick 2 cents worth...

    The world I grew up in was a much more civilised one than the argumentative, aggressive, confrontational, limelight seeking, fluff, **** and wind of today's "minority (am I not special enough?) needs", ho-hum, bang the drum", SJW fuelled, crap-ola.



    The clear majority of my forebears had a peaceful, happy, existence... and that's how I tend to like it these days. Outside of the privacy of your own home, or perhaps when you are amongst close friends, try to:

    1. Keep your politics in the polling booth;
    2. Keep your religion in your church; and
    3. Keep your sex life in your bedroom.

    Oh yeah, and whatever your persuasion(s), keep your opinions (and certainly dictates - like in the OP) on any of these subjects away from children - especially if you are in a public education facility. Teach the knowledge and definitions of what's out there, but don't preach OR dictate your choice of morality around these private areas. Both mine and my children's private views are whatever we discuss and choose to live our lives by, NOT what some "Special SJW" feels driven to indoctrinate others with - just so themselves, or their buddies, can feel better about being different from the majority.

    I honestly believe these civilised basics can keep us ALL calm, respectful and equal in every way... that's assuming we are all able to live without constant validation from others and that we can control our urges for "winning the good fight" in public.

    I would bet the clear majority of those that can't stick to these 3 principles probably just need to find a new polling booth, church or bedroom!!! OR PERHAPS SOME OTHER WAY OF TRYING TO ATTAIN POWER OVER OTHERS?!?
    Hoo-Roo,

    Dave.

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    I think some are sensitive and weak. They can't live with the fact they are abnormal.

    Queers are not normal. They are minority., Not typical human. Of course, they have rights to live the life they wish. They are abnormal but it's okay.

    But it's not okay to suggest me that queers are normal and that Homosexual is equivalent to heterosexual. It's not. They are different. For example, one makes baby, the other doesn't

    (normal

    ˈnɔːm(ə)l/

    adjective. conforming to a standard; usual, typical, or expected.



    Quote Originally Posted by rick130 View Post
    I hope you're being sarcastic as sensitive is not weak.

    Describing it like that is how we've got into this bloody paternalistic, misogynistic mess that society finds itself in, where entitled alpha males and their beta followers treat women and any other person that doesn't fit into their narrow definitions as second class citizens.
    Or worse.

    As a very clever psych I know says, most men are ***** as they are so damaged, they use being a **** as a defence.

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    If there is a normal, then there must also be an abnormal. So it is normal for some to be abnormal
    As JC said, let those who are without sin cast the first stones.

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    I love how threads like this really bring the best out in people - I'm really surprised at how it started, what it turned in to and some of the venom, but I shouldn't be.

    This is actually what it is:

    Non-discriminatory language

    UNE supports the use of non-discriminatory language in the work of its staff and students. It promotes the use of inclusive language to address and describe all people, regardless of sex, race, ethnicity and physical or intellectual characteristics. Use acceptable, inclusive language for:


    Grammar checkers will not signal the inappropriate use of language in terms of discrimination. You will need to know the language guidelines for using non-discriminatory language, and apply these to your writing.
    Gender and/or sexual orientation

    You should use inclusive language (gender neutral, non-sexist, non-gender specific) that includes women and treats men and women equally.
    Use titles and modes of address consistently for men and for women.
    Use Ms in preference to Miss/Mrs, unless this is preferred by the individual being referred to.

    Use he, his, him, himself only when referring specifically to males.
    AVOID: Each student is responsible for his library loan.
    PREFERRED: Each student is responsible for his/her library loan.


    Use the words man/woman, girl/boy, gentleman/lady in a parallel way.
    AVOID: Ladies and men should …
    PREFERRED: Ladies and gentlemen should …
    OR: Men and women should …


    Use similar terms when describing the same characteristics in women and men.
    AVOID: Only ambitious men and aggressive women succeed in the business world.
    PREFERRED: Only ambitious men and women succeed in the business world.


    Avoid using occupational titles containing the feminine suffixes -ess, -ette, -trix, -ienne.
    Rather than authoress, author would generally be preferred.
    Rather than headmistress/headmaster, principal would generally be preferred.
    Rather than comedienne, comedian would generally be preferred.


    Avoid using gender-specific occupational titles.
    Rather than tradesman, tradesperson would be preferred.
    Rather than businessman, executive would be preferred.
    Rather than craftsman, artisan would be preferred.


    Avoid the generic use of man or of composite words involving the syllable man.
    Rather than spokesman, spokesperson would be preferred.
    Rather than mankind, humanity would be preferred.
    Rather than chairman, chair would be preferred.


    Avoid using gendered terms or expressions that may be patronising and/or demeaning.
    AVOID: Students should seek assistance from the ladies in the office.
    PREFERRED: Students should seek assistance from the staff in the office.


    Avoid irrelevant, gratuitous gender descriptions.
    the lady editor; the female doctor; the homosexual Minister

    Avoid unnecessary reference to the relationship and or parenting status of a person or a group.
    AVOID: Jack Smith and his wife
    PREFERRED: Jack and Jane Smith
    AVOID: the mother-of-five appointed to the position of Minister of Education.
    PREFERRED: the woman appointed to the position of Minister of Education.

    Indigenous peoples

    Always use capital A for Aboriginals and capitals for Torres Strait Islanders, and the names of the various groups to which individuals belong.
    Aboriginal peoples; Australian Aboriginals; Koorie; Goorie; Yolngu

    Never use negative, discriminatory or stereotypical terms that would be offensive to the Indigenous peoples of Australia.
    Physical and/or intellectual ability

    Avoid unnecessary reference to the physical and or intellectual ability of a person or a group.
    A blind musician played the violin at the local concert.

    Avoid using terms which equate a person or a group with a disability.
    Rather than a blind musician, a musician with a vision impairment would be preferred.

    Use terms that recognise that a disability is only one characteristic of the person or group.


    Rather than:
    these might be preferred:

    a disabled person
    a person with a disability; people with special needs

    deaf
    people with hearing impairments

    blind
    people with visual impairments

    handicapped
    people with physical disabilities; people with psychiatric disorders[/TD]


    Avoid imprecise terms and euphemisms for a person or a group with a disability.
    Schizophrenia is a particular type of psychiatric disorder, not a general term.

    Never use the terms victim or sufferer to refer to a person or a group who has or has had an illness, disease or disability.
    Race, ethnicity and/or religion

    Use the term Australian for all groups of people who live permanently in Australia. If it is important to specify the descent or ethnicity of a person or group, or to distinguish between people born in Australia and elsewhere, then use a qualifier in conjunction with Australian (as the noun) or use hyphenated forms.
    Vietnamese-born Australian; Jewish Australians; Italo-Australian

    Avoid unnecessary reference to the ethnic or racial background of a person or a group.
    Some Lebanese youths were injured in the accident.

    Avoid terms which denigrate a person or a group on the basis of race, ethnicity and/or religion.
    Other examples

    Avoid unwarranted assumptions about age.

    Rather than:
    these might be preferred:

    old people’s home
    aged care facility

    pensioner
    older people

    geriatrics
    seniors, mature aged


    Avoid terms which denigrate a person or a group on the basis of geographical location. Do not use derogatory terms to refer in an unfavourable manner to the places where people live.
    Rather than country hicks, people who live in the country would be preferred.
    Legal requirements

    ‘Australia’s commitment to inclusiveness is embodied in both federal and state laws. They include the federal Racial Discrimination Act 1975, Sex Discrimination Act 1984, Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission Act 1986 and Disability Discrimination Act 1992, as well as the various state Acts relating to equal opportunity and anti-discrimination. Under this legislation, it is generally unlawful to discriminate on the grounds of race, colour, national or ethnic origin, gender or physical or mental capabilities.
    Linguistic discrimination can take various forms that may marginalise or exclude particular segments of the population—whether unwittingly or not. Stereotypical description of any group of people or member of an identifiable group is probably the most insidious. There is no place in public documents for uninformed, prejudiced or merely insensitive references of this type.’ (Commonwealth of Australia, 2002, p. 55)

    Commonwealth of Australia. (2002). Style manual: for authors, editors and writers (6th ed.). Canberra, Australia: John Wiley & Sons Ltd.
    Cheers
    Slunnie


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