Climate Change and our Land of Fire, Flood and Drought.

Ok, I'm stretching my brain a bit, so the numbers might be a thou or two out, but if you go back 12,000 years, Perth's sea shore was at the back end of Rottnest Island, 18km West of todays coastline. If you go back roughly 20,000 years, the sea shore was in the foothills of the Darling Scarp, 25km in the other direction from todays coastline, with the whole of the Swan Coastal Plain flooded. Climate Change with subsequent sea level rise/fall is continually happening. The argument stems from how much of recent change is human generated - anthropogenic - and that depends on constantly changing scientific output - for good or ill.

For instance, when I did Atmospheric Physics and Climatology at uni many years ago as part of my degree, the so called 'hockey stick' model didn't exist in its current format. The graph it is based on still contained around 650 years worth of data centred around the middle ages, which included a mini ice age and global warming period, missing from many of todays graphs....

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Originally Posted by cripesamighty

The argument stems from how much of recent change is human generated - anthropogenic - and that depends on constantly changing scientific output - for good or ill.

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in regards to sea levels, i dont think it matters. the level is going to change regardless. what were we going to do if it wasnt human generated? stand our ground as the sea washes in? tell the ocean that climate change is wrong and it needs to go back? sue captain planet for loss of property value?

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Originally Posted by cripesamighty

For instance, when I did Atmospheric Physics and Climatology at uni many years ago as part of my degree, the so called 'hockey stick' model didn't exist in its current format. The graph it is based on still contained around 650 years worth of data centred around the middle ages, which included a mini ice age and global warming period, missing from many of todays graphs....

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your not saying the data has been massaged are you? or data has been ignored to use an agenda? cause that never happens. [bigwhistle]

Just as well they possessed laptops or I-pads to record all this stuff on back then & we'd all be in disagreement.[smilebigeye]

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Originally Posted by 4bee

Just as well they possessed laptops or I-pads to record all this stuff on back then & we'd all be in disagreement.[smilebigeye]

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well moses was the first person to download data (10 commandments) from the cloud into his tablet.

I live quite close to Mt Ulawan, a fairly active volcano, Ulawun Volcano, East New Britain Province (Papua New Guinea) - facts & information / VolcanoDiscovery: / VolcanoDiscovery

It has erupted 3 times this year, so we now have at least 11,000 expert volcanologists, unnamed, who can interpret every cough sniffle, fart, belch it makes on a daily basis, responses range from:

• Damn ash on the clothes hanging out to dry.
• We are doomed,
• and the occasional run away runaway
• Occasionally it's ' The volcano is upset because the old G.M left ( no joke)

I have come to the conclusion there is very little i can do to control Mt Ulawan, so my responsibilities are:

1. Ensure i have PPE, Shelters in stock,
2. Buy a Container of Rice for the inevitable refugees
3. Buy more beer in case the road gets cut off
4. Sit at the bar and closely observe the magna while having a coldie

Be prepared, don't panic,

• Many years ago, when i was greener between the ears, in more ways than one, i decided two kids were more than enough for this planet, i have also planted many thousands of trees , do what you can , but im not wearing a hair shirt.

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Originally Posted by Eevo

well moses was the first person to download data (10 commandments) from the cloud into his tablet.

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Yeah he did.. how did the bugger do that?[smilebigeye]

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Originally Posted by AndyG

I live quite close to Mt Ulawan, a fairly active volcano, Ulawun Volcano, East New Britain Province (Papua New Guinea) - facts & information / VolcanoDiscovery: / VolcanoDiscovery

It has erupted 3 times this year, so we now have at least 11,000 expert volcanologists, unnamed, who can interpret every cough sniffle, fart, belch it makes on a daily basis, responses range from:

• Damn ash on the clothes hanging out to dry.
• We are doomed,
• and the occasional run away runaway
• Occasionally it's ' The volcano is upset because the old G.M left ( no joke)

I have come to the conclusion there is very little i can do to control Mt Ulawan, so my responsibilities are:

1. Ensure i have PPE, Shelters in stock,
2. Buy a Container of Rice for the inevitable refugees
3. Buy more beer in case the road gets cut off
4. Sit at the bar and closely observe the magna while having a coldie

Be prepared, don't panic,

• Many years ago, when i was greener between the ears, in more ways than one, i decided two kids were more than enough for this planet, i have also planted many thousands of trees , do what you can , but im not wearing a hair shirt.

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Wonderful thing the internet & how it can broaden one's mind. You hear & see a name of a place you don't know et voila, you are there in an instant. A friend of my B in Law was in Rabaul when it went up what, 20 or 30 years ago. She described it as a heap of Steam Locos coming from deep underground & rising rapidly to the surface under her feet.
My Rellies said afterwards "I was going to tell you not to ask her about that." but I already had & apparently I was one of the rare people she had confided in because it still gave her the Heebie Jeebies.
Not rare as in rare you understand, but rare as in nothing special.[biggrin]

Thanks AndyG.

BTW, Wouldn't it be a tad warm for a Hair Shirt up there anyway?[smilebigeye]

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Originally Posted by VladTepes

Yep no room for jokes, and posts comic...


For every comic you post and could post a cat meme that says the opposite... [biggrin]

Oh I also have a science degree and for what it's worth I don't endorse that paper.
And what is it worth exactly? Just as much as each person those who did.
i.e. bugger all.

The thing that annoys me the most is that it's very common for members of the climate change alarmist crowd to -

1. Tell others what they should do.

2. Tell us that irrespective of what other countries do, we should lead by example.

3. Fail to lead by example at an individual level.

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And the climate head in the sand crowd are not telling those concerned about climate change what to do?

Leading by example is by definition not following what others do.

...the three arguments above are null. Blanket populist assumptions. Irrelevant to the science and the discussion.

New Zealand are not in denial, they are leading by example, regardless of their small size. They are not justifying inaction by blaming others: Ardern says New Zealand on 'right side of history' as MPs pass zero-carbon bill | World news | The Guardian

NZ is run by forward -thinking people, unlike us.

Green power fills half of Australia's biggest energy grid for first time
Renewable energy supplies more than half of Australia's national electricity market for first time - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)