Thread: Climate Change and our Land of Fire, Flood and Drought.

The thread is called, 'Climate change and our land of Fire, Flood and Drought", so comments on climate change are totally on the topic.

Originally Posted by DiscoMick

A denialist is someone who denies. That's not name-calling, it's just a fact.

Also, while it's right there is lot of water vapour up there, that doesn't refute climate change. Water vapour actually increases the warming effect of CO2, so it causes more warming, not less.

You might find this interesting:

Explaining how the water vapor greenhouse effect works

Did you read the peer comments and feedback on the link?

Yeah, lots of the usual nit-picking and arguing about details, which is normal.

The bloke who claimed clouds reflected heat outwards into the universe needs to improve his knowledge. It's very cold out there in the universe.
Clouds trap heat which is held in the atmosphere and then absorbed by the oceans and released as evaporation in a continuing cycle.
Water acts like coolant in a vehicle to absorb heat. If the poles melt and more water flows into the oceans then there is more water to trap more heat from the atmosphere.
That's why oceans are warming and causing warmer weather patterns.
While the Earth has warned by about 1 degree in a century, Australia has outperformed that and warmed by about 1.4 degrees. We are a top achiever in climate warming, resulting in more severe weather, including longer droughts and more disastrous bush fires. We are worse affected than most countries.

Originally Posted by DiscoMick

If the poles melt and more water flows into the oceans then there is more water to trap more heat from the atmosphere.

if the oceans are trapping more heat from the atmosphere, then the atmosphere would be getting cooler.

This thread is pure gold...

From NASA, Mick...

Clouds cool Earth's surface by reflecting incoming sunlight. Clouds warm Earth's surface by absorbing heat emitted from the surface and re-radiating it back down toward the surface. Clouds warm or cool Earth's atmosphere by absorbing heat emitted from the surface and radiating it to space.


You have more reading to do

Originally Posted by Tombie

Clouds cool Earth's surface by reflecting incoming sunlight. Clouds warm Earth's surface by absorbing heat emitted from the surface and re-radiating it back down toward the surface. Clouds warm or cool Earth's atmosphere by absorbing heat emitted from the surface and radiating it to space.

So what we need is cloud all day and blue sky at night. Almost sounds like Scotland.

Originally Posted by Tombie

This thread is pure gold...

From NASA, Mick...

Clouds cool Earth's surface by reflecting incoming sunlight. Clouds warm Earth's surface by absorbing heat emitted from the surface and re-radiating it back down toward the surface. Clouds warm or cool Earth's atmosphere by absorbing heat emitted from the surface and radiating it to space.


You have more reading to do

Selective quoting there. You left out the bit where it says as the planet warms there are fewer clouds, particularly lower clouds, and the high clouds trap the heat and add to warming.

How Do Clouds Affect Earth’s Climate? | NASA Climate Kids

Clouds May Hold the Key to Future Warming - Scientific American

Mick, didn’t you just buy a generator so that you are comfortable when camping.

An easy way to help would be not run a generator just to be comfortable in the bush, I think that the way you said it up above about installing solar.......we don’t even have air-con at home.

BTW we had a 6kw if solar installed today (doing our bit)....just have to wait for it to be switched on, I see we are now waiting for the grid supplier. We are even saving the planet a bit more as half our house lights no longer work.