Thread: Work for Dole?

I am on welfarism side. Not the extra welfarism where Medicare and NHS adopts.
My hero is professor Mark V Pauly. There is a value attached to each and everyone of us. This is the fact. No body is equal except in front of the law.

Poverty and Debt to many is the reason why they go to work.

When a person if free from debt and provery, he will be a lazy man, but also free.

If there aren't enough jobs. People should travel to places where there are jobs. Whether it's Vietnam or Thailand. I don't know. But people should relocate for jobs not sitting there on welfare payments. At least that's the typical economy theory (yeah how capitalism works.


Cheers

Originally Posted by incisor

nothing to do with communism

it's about keeping a civil society ie lower crime rates, public safety, better health outcomes etc leading to less pressure on the public purse

it is well proven fact that the money spent up front equates to a fraction of what needs to be spent later esp from the health and policing aspects alone

an effective model just needs to be found it seems

is a very interesting subject to delve into

In my opinion Working for $10 an hour and being treated like dog is still better than doing nothing

Originally Posted by V8Ian

Because Aussies have standards. Would you work for $10-11 an hour and be treated like a dog?
Think back to the 7-11 business model, there's plenty of employers like them.

Originally Posted by martnH

In my opinion Working for $10 an hour and being treated like dog is still better than doing nothing

Not when the nett result is lower.

It appears that many who posted in this thread are not aware of the reason Newstart Allowance (unemployment benefit) is paid. It is paid to unemployed persons to enable them to look for work according to their obligations. This is stressed in the training given to new officers at Centrelink and previously to DSS officers. not paid to buy grog, groceries, tobacco, school fees, etc. etc. etc. etc. It is paid purely to enable the client to seek suitable work. It is regarded as a temporary or short term payment which is why it is paid at a lower rate than pensions which are regarded as long term payments. Persons are expected to use their own resources first. The Commonwealth is the payer of last resort. Example of this is Sickness Allowance applied for by a person who is employed. They are expected to use all their leave entitlements not just sick leave before becoming eligible for Sickness Allowance.

Originally Posted by martnH

In my opinion Working for $10 an hour and being treated like dog is still better than doing nothing

So you're prepared to aid and abet criminality and exploit the most vulnerable and disadvantaged in society?
How long before this country has French style protests?

Originally Posted by V8Ian

So you're prepared to aid and abet criminality and exploit the most vulnerable and disadvantaged in society?
How long before this country has French style protests?

I could protest at time as a volunteer- School, traders group, sporting groups, my hobies group - read unpaid overworked and often called on to do things dogs shouldn't do- I have no issue getting people off their bums out looking for work or any activity that changed the mind set of its to hard or difficult. I'll exclude volunteering for the navy as I was paid and had too much fun

Most of the unemployed or disabled people I know are fully capable of getting work if they tried. My own brother is in the later category mostly I think due to him being unwilling to take the options that used to be available to him. Stacking shelves in supermarkets needs a reliable person. One who is prepared to get out of bed or away from their computer, phone or Play station.

Work for the dole or study to help get a productive job at the very least. A Ted talk or two on changing mind sets should be compulsory for all as wellhttps://www.ted.com/talks/carol_dwec...ve?language=en

"Carol Dweck is a pioneering researcher in the field of motivation, why people succeed (or don't) and how to foster success." The unhappy opposite mind set is often being on taxpayer funded Dole payments. Social security is needed. Motivation is needed even more I think.

Unemployment is at a low 5%, which is about as low as it ever gets, so I doubt if there are an excessive number of people bludging. And $39 a day is hardly an inflated figure to pay someone to look for work. Allow for rent, bus fares and lunch and there would be nothing left.

When I tried to go on the dole between jobs i found it easier and quicker just to get another job. The hoops they make you jump through is crazy and they all treat you like another number.
They should push the NEIS course more, they teach you how to start and run a small business.
You get your "dole" payment for 12 months still, its not actually paid from centrelink but a different government program.
And you can earn as much money as you want without losing payments.
It creates new businesses aswel as new jobs as these businesses grow.
Im all for short term bursts on the dole 3-4 months while people are in between jobs, after 6 months they should be pushing you to start your own business.
If you prove to be a slackass bludger after 12 months then you get stuck cleaning rubbish off freeways or graffiti etc.
If you chose not to well then i dunno, forced labor or execution to keep the crime rates and homeless numbers down
Cheers Jim