Thread: Work for Dole?

On a little different topic,we, on occasions have someone on work experience.
Its usually a friends,or customers,or someone we know,that has a son or daughter,and they are thinking of getting into the trade we are in.

Most are not bad.Many actually go on to be good tradesman/women.

The most recent one,first thing i say is don't be late to work,and always have your license with you,as some of the sites we go to need to see ID,before entering.

So sure enough,first day,5 minutes late,second 15 minutes late,third day on time,but forgot license.

Originally Posted by weeds

Just got a heads up.....the navy invest more than $1 000 000, 1 million, into each gap year person....times that by 120 gappies. And at 12 months that can say see ya later.

Struth mate. a million ? Sure it was a billion or bull dust

Originally Posted by NavyDiver

Struth mate. a million ? Sure it was a billion or bull dust

$130M budget for 100 gappies.....

Would easily add up, they have already been on two 1 week training stints on Choules.....that alone would be cheap.

The navy put General Duty sailors ( not specialized) to significantly reduce training cost and time in place more than 30 years ago. GAP year are not specialist and cost are accordingly significantly lower than a specialist.

Not sure which if any badge a GAP year gets Category Badges | Royal Australian Navy

Cost allocation you saw might be a little loose. For three years of 100million that I could buy a cool Littoral ship from Austal

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Some of the GAP year sailors kindly carry the flag for us old salty types on Anzac day. Then insist on buying me beer!

Seaman Woods yarn -The role and training looks fun No gaps in Gap Year | Navy Daily

Originally Posted by NavyDiver

The navy put General Duty sailors ( not specialized) to significantly reduce training cost and time in place more than 30 years ago. GAP year are not specialist and cost are accordingly significantly lower than a specialist.

Not sure which if any badge a GAP year gets Category Badges | Royal Australian Navy

Some of them kindly carry the flag for us old salty types on Anzac day. Then insist on buying me beer!

Seaman Woods yarn -The role and training looks fun No gaps in Gap Year | Navy Daily

My oldest is currently a gappie and now wears the rank of Midshipman as he did the full course at Creswell, he is one of three that were the guinea pigs

There is 20 or 25 officer gappies that have just started with this years intake of regs.

Only going on the figures stated.....I assume the whole process, advertising, recruitment, medicals, flights, accommodation, administration, and the list goes on has to be costed.....and defence are experts at spending ‘wasting’ money.

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Originally Posted by weeds

My oldest is currently a gappie and now wears the rank of Midshipman as he did the full course at Creswell, he is one of three that were the guinea pigs

There is 20 or 25 officer gappies that have just started with this years intake of regs.

Only going on the figures stated.....I assume the whole process, advertising, recruitment, medicals, flights, accommodation, administration, and the list goes on has to be costed.....and defence are experts at spending ‘wasting’ money.

I often felt sorry for the Middies. Lower than the lowest in some ways in the Navy. I hope he enjoys the time. At a guess the cost of wages, uniform, food, accommodation and travel would be sub 150-200k per person at most. If you attributed Sea time or Flight time costs then clearly it would be possible to significantly inflate it. Sea cost and air cost are almost fixed and not really or seldom specifically for the Gappies.

It is a recruiting tool. They are fully briefed on the "No HECS university study" with a return of service of course. It is a good program I think. My mate recuits the "No HECS university study" the biggest issue he finds is the failing drug tests fails them for the program and service.

Originally Posted by DiscoMick

Job seekers allegedly offered cash to lie by private employment service providers

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Doesn't surprise me. Almost the first action of the newly elected Howard government in 1996 was to close down the Commonwealth Employment Service and hand the work and the money to his LNP mates who, in my eyes,
place relatively few people in long term full time work which is the goal. The providers do get generously paid for administration, paper shuffling, interviewing and other wasteful activities that do just about bugger all towards placing people in permanent FTW. The providers don't waste time on the long termers and difficult placements. They are left to rot on the dole.

In the early 1990's a group representing the private employment agencies convinced the government that they could do better than the CES in placing long term unemployed. A trial was organised and selected CES offices were to provide a number of long termers to selected agencies to attempt to place. An office in my region (I was then a DSS field officer) was chosen. Their manager told his case managers to select some long termers that were a chance of being placed. "We don't want to frighten these people off. Don't pick the bad buggers or the hopeless." The deal was that the CES would provide a set number of cases each fortnight to the agency. After six weeks the principal of the agency stormed into the CES manager's office in high dudgeon complaining that she was being sent "all the dead ****s." The manager quite delightedly informed her that she had been sent the good ones and would she like to try some real "dead ****s" as he had plenty of them on the books.