Originally posted by FenianEel
I don't think my thoughts on this are any great surprise
Originally posted by p38arover
The Union Jack is NOT the English flag so it doesn't symbolise the English - too many people think that. <span style="color:red">Hmmm, how come they fly the thing everywhere and have it at sporting events (e.g. Cricket) that only involve England</span>
I like it because it shows the heritage of those in the First Fleet - people from the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland.
Originally posted by p38arover
I also said that the Union Jack in our flag represents (in my eyes) those in the First Fleet. I don't think we have to change our flag to represent all those who came later.
MMMM
I'm pretty sure most of the "Celts" on board those rat rafts were not represented by "that" flag. Many were there because of their defiance of it.
Australia had an Aboriginal population eons ago, we have had a LARGE Chinese population since the 1850's, 40% of the population is from Irish Descent. - NONE of these are represented by that thing in the corner, nor did they come later.
Nor is there any such thing as the U.K.
It has NEVER been a united kingdom. And Ireland has NEVER been part of it. Under force of arms the Brits perpetuated this myth. A kingdom isn't united by death, slavery, destruction, or eradication of a different culture.
Originally posted by drivesafe
far FAR more Australians have fought and died under the present flag, it stands to reason that this IS our flag.
They died under a different anthem. What happened to that! 8O
Most died under the Union Jack, particularly in WW1. The majority of the time the Aussie flag wasn't even allowed to be flown, especially when that other thing was present. In WW11, when Singapore was retaken, and when Changi was "freed", an Australian flag was flown, only to be taken down and the Jack put up.
RIGHT -On to the anthem, I like it, know the original 2 verses, but think it doesnt do the country justice, nor is it a stirring number.
Jokingly, Waltzing Matilda is truly representative.
A tune ripped off from the Scots, written by a drunk - about a thief who necks himself!!!
I like God defend New Zealand (but that's not representative of others either)
I like the French "La Marseillaise"
I detest "God Save the Queen"
Not just 'cause I detest royalty etc.., but it doesn't say jack squat about the people. country or anything else.
Of course I love "Amhán na bhFiann" (A Soldiers Song), the Irish National Anthem....it says something, and it is stirring
National symbols are supposed to inspire patriotism and unity. Australians are patriotic, but our national symbols do not promote Unity.
That's enough political shiite from me :roll:
I'm with you mate, and one more thing, THE ONLY WAR the australians fought in under the current flag is Vietnam, (No disrepect to the brave men and women that fought there by the way my hat goes off to you) only stating a fact.
All i'm saying.
Baz.
Cheers Baz.
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