Port Arthur 10 years on

**Yabbie** · 29th April 2006, 11:00 AM

I just find it to much of a coincidence that this happened around the same time that the government decided that we didn't need semi automatic rifles.

We all winge about how we are all targeted as 4wd owners, I wonder if someone used a 4wd to commit similar carnage would the knee jerk reaction be to remove 4wd's.

Today's society seems hell bent on removing the items that people use to commit an offence rather then the person that committed the offence.

In the same way that gun's don't kill people, 4wd's don't either. It's is the person who is in control of the bloody thing that commits the offence.
But the revolving door judicial system that is in place seems to punish the honest more then it does the criminals.

Although I feel for those victims of the Port Arthur Incident, There have been other Firearm related deaths of a similar scale that have not seen the same repercussions i.e. Father's Day Massacre at Milperra in Sydney September 1984.

For my money there is more to this then meets the eye, just in the same way that there is more to the to the wheat board payoffs then we as the public will ever be permitted to know about.

Conspiracy ?? No just a realist. What government in any country has ever been totally honest with it's people. Absolute power corrupts Absolutely!!!

**WADE** · 29th April 2006, 07:18 PM

And a big thanks to the Vic Police for suppling the weapon used. The weapon was handed in when Victoria ban semi auto and the Vic Police sold it to a Tassie gun dealer who Bryant brought it. So much for gun control !!

**Phoenix** · 1st May 2006, 08:57 AM

The gun control laws came about because of Port Authur, not before (although there are always people puching for no guns in the community).

**noddy** · 1st May 2006, 09:12 AM

Originally posted by Phoenix
The gun control laws came about because of Port Authur, not before (although there are always people puching for no guns in the community).

Phoenix -- 'national' gun control laws certainly came into place as a result of Port Arthur, but from memory some of the States had already started moving on banning fully auto and semi-autos.

After the Strathfield massacre in Sydney (early '90s), there was a concerted push on the ban of fully automatic assault rifles. I think Vic had something similar.

**VladTepes** · 2nd May 2006, 12:56 AM

3 things:

1) I have deep sympathy for all whose lives were devastated as a result of that day.

2) It's a damn shame that the government continues to demonize and 'punish' law abiding gun owners for the sins of a (very) few.

3) Great photos Noddy as always. When can we expect the coffee table book ?

**Ace** · 2nd May 2006, 08:19 AM

My sympathies go out for the families involved.

As for what happened, i agree there is no way he could have pulled off something like that when trained professionals couldnt have. Will we ever know what actually happened. I doubt it. That just gives the conspiracy theorists more to speculate on. Matt

**VladTepes** · 2nd May 2006, 09:33 AM

How could trained progessionals NOT do that. An armed man with no conscience about killing children etc versus an unarmed civilian crowd. To be truthful we are fortunate he didn't kill more.

AND a trained professioanl with a bolt action is almost as fast as you or me with a semi auto

AND as with all 'conspiracy theories' when carefully examined the imaginings of the conspiracists just don;t add up.

Think about it - how could the "government" keep a secret like that when they can;t even keep the AWB thing under their hat :!:

**Yabbie** · 2nd May 2006, 04:33 PM

Originally posted by VladTepes
How could trained progessionals NOT do that. An armed man with no conscience about killing children etc versus an unarmed civilian crowd. To be truthful we are fortunate he didn't kill more.

AND a trained professioanl with a bolt action is almost as fast as you or me with a semi auto

AND as with all 'conspiracy theories' when carefully examined the imaginings of the conspiracists just don;t add up.

Think about it - how could the "government" keep a secret like that when they can;t even keep the AWB thing under their hat :!:

I guess your bosses don't like it when you think outside the square do they Vlad

The thing is history has shown that when someone walks into a crowded room full of people and starts shooting, people run, push and shove who ever and do whatever to escape. While this is happening you'll no longer have a static targets and unless you have been trained to kill on mass your hit to kill ratio will be lower then those trained.

Without being present during the event those who speculate the recorded events as per the governments version will continue too. It's my informed opinion that there's more then what's on the table.

But to believe what any government says in order to take away your given rights as a human (freedom of choice). Is not only bloody stupid but friggin dangerous.

**tony** · 2nd May 2006, 06:13 PM

This might upset a few people but hey we live in a democracy (HA HA )

The sheeple are still coming out I was a trained proffesional and beliee me I was a lot faster with a L1A1 than I was with a parker Hale,

I have no idea whether or not there was a conspirary, but he must have been very very good to kill so many (and several of those with double taps)

The only thing I can be certain off is that the Grubbeyment used the situation to ther fullest advantage, to restrict, and deny, the right of law abiding people,

years before this the Howard grubbement signd a document in the UN to disarm the civil populance without any disscusion at all ............

ANYONE WHO BELIEVES THE GRUBBEYMENT WITHOUT QUESTION SHOULD'NT DRIVE A SOLIHULL PRODUCT

Tony.

**Jamo** · 2nd May 2006, 07:03 PM

I agree with Vlad.

Sure, people would have panicked, but he killed a lot in the cafe and that is a contained enviroment. It does not take much training to be able shoot people who only have a narrow excape route. That is why concertina wire is used for defences in order to channel enemy into a confined route.

Also be aware that a 'trained professional', when being shot at, will attempt to asses the best escape route whilst avoiding being shot. A tourist having a cuppa probably won't and may even run into the line of fire. I think that by saying that he must have been a professional, then you are assuming that those he killed were also professionals and should have known how to get out of the way!

A didn't he have an armalite when he went into the cafe?? Even if he had a bolt action at that point, if he was standing between the patrons and the door, he could have picked off as many as he wanted.

Don't forget that a mass killer like Bryant is not like a normal person. He would not have any form of conscience telling him to resist. His entire purpose was to kill.

From what I understand his interest in weapons did not start a few minutes prior to the shootings.

This is Australia not Hollywood. I think that anyone who thinks that this is a conspiracy is a complete looney and up there with the folks who think Sept 11 and the moon landings were hoaxes.

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