Pass it on please

**PLR** · 18th May 2019, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by Homestar

While your help is always appreciated by those that need it - the very reason this forum exists, it couldn’t continue without the very generous members here that stump up a few dollars each year to keep I afloat. I can assure you it is not a money making venture by the owner, but an attempt to future proof the site. You only have to look at the likes of Photobucket, Flickr and others to see that the golden age of free storage has gone and the world is shifting to a user pays model all over the Internet.

Look at it from our perspective - if we let your thread run here in GC and/or just copied the info into another thread, then that would show that we are happy to let this happen, and others may start doing so. While I doubt it would get to the point of opening the floodgates, it does actually take time to do this and all the Mods and Admins here are volunteers who already put in many hours a week each to keep the place running as smoothly as it can. Adding further to the workload can cause people to feel less inclined to keep actively moderating - I know this from personal experience.

Putting the blame of ‘It’s the members that lose out’ on us is a stretch IMO also, one could say that if you are happy to take the time and effort to look up and answer a members question but not pay a small amount for a supporters membership to actually take the final step and post it could also be seen as the issue here. Not saying you should if you don’t want to, that is entirely up to you, and you’ll get no grief from me about that, but shifting blame to us I don’t accept sorry.

Trust you understand.

Thanks Gavin , i can see what your saying .

I hadn`t looked at it as blame , i`m sorry if you think that , i see it as a problem that could have an answer not as being someones fault .

The work load thing i don`t really get as things will always vary but rest assured i won`t be pushing anyone over the edge .

I know the Moderators ETC do a good job , as i`ve been a member a while i can still remember what the Moderators were like in the early days , pack of rabid dogs it how i saw it then , nothing like that now .

I have only ever been interested in Tech and Range Rover the rest holds little to no interest to me and as i said elsewhere at present i don`t have the time so i won`t become financial because if i did i would use time here i don`t have at the moment and this makes it a personal decision because of circumstance .

It`s a shame about the service bulletins as they cover things like your jag and the 5.3 also things like the series isuzu release and other stuff and models all pre internet so likely not common i`d think but i don`t know that .

Cheers , thanks for you time .

**trout1105** · 18th May 2019, 03:37 PM

Considering the costs of Landrover ownership and the ongoing maintainance costs involved in that ownership the "Supporters" fee on this forum is a drop in the ocean.
As has been said above websites are expensive to run and maintain and if we want to use a website it is only fair that we pull a few pennys out of our pockets once a year to help with that cost.
Nobody expects to go to the pub and get free beer, This website is no different and the costs of 10min at the pub covers a full year here.

If you want to post content on the forum then put your hand in your pocket for a few cents instead of asking the mods to be your personal secretary's.

**PLR** · 18th May 2019, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by incisor

FYI

as has been already mentioned, the subscriptions pay for the storage of the data, hosting and administration of the system so it can stay online for as long as possible to help those that need help,

that is why basic read access is free to all, not hidden behind a paywall and always will be while i am at the helm.

the portions of the system that cost the most to provide are the ones that are only available to subscribers after the trial period expires

this place costs $1000's to run each year and getting dearer each year.

it runs on three separate systems as well as services provided by third parties that are paid services

hosting costs for parts of this system will be going up 30% later this year alone

things aren't getting cheaper and a growing percentage of people use ad-blockers so that method of paying for things is dwindling at a rather rapid rate

a man does what he can...

G`day David ,

thank you for the explanation and i see what you do is good , not easy and is time consuming and i`m not trying to say other wise even if that is how people read it .

What i`m trying to get across is a personal thing about the way i have used the forum , RR and Tech have been my interest and the rest of the Juggernaut if not there would not be missed by me .

I can see if i was a Land Rover person and not a Range Rover person that all the rest would be interesting and useful but i`m not , when i did my apprenticeship , series LR were rife living in a farming community , they were not endearing to me then either mostly because of working on them where they could go was another thing .

As with Gavin if you read what i typed as a blame thing it is not how i thought or meant , i don`t use an add blocker either .

Thanks for you time .

**incisor** · 18th May 2019, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by PLR

G`day David ,

thank you for the explanation and i see what you do is good , not easy and is time consuming and i`m not trying to say other wise even if that is how people read it .

What i`m trying to get across is a personal thing about the way i have used the forum , RR and Tech have been my interest and the rest of the Juggernaut if not there would not be missed by me .

all is good...

**PLR** · 18th May 2019, 08:42 PM

Thank You to whoever generously actioned it but i have asked for it to be reversed .

THANKS DAVE !!!!!

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