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    The A Team

    4 x 4 Australia has an interesting report, 'The A Team', in its latest issue, which it describes as ' the seven best 4x 4s money will buy' for those who are 'keen to head straight from the showroom to serious off-road tracks with only a tyre stop along the way'.

    Fraser Stronach rates the seven chosen vehicles in this order:
    1 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon
    2. Toyota Land Cruiser 70 series dual cab
    3. Mercedes-Benz G-Class Professional
    4. Ford Ranger Raptor
    5. Toyota Land Cruiser 200 Series GXL
    6. Land Rover Discovery SD4 HSE
    7. Suzuki Jimny

    It's an interesting comparison. I'm glad to see the Discovery be recognised, I agree with a lot of what he says and I realize there could be endless arguments about this. I suggest you get the magazine's current issue and read the details for yourself.

    However, I think the comparison gives too much weight to 'weekend toys' and not enough to serious overlanding vehicles. I also think there are other criteria that should have been used.
    For example, the comparison gives GVM and kerb weight figures, but does not subtract them to give an effective payload. Doing that produces some interesting results. The Wrangler crashes out of consideration while the Discovery moves up the rankings. After all, how can you choose a vehicle to head off on a serious trip if it can only carry two people and a toothbrush? Payload is very important.

    I also think maximum towing weight is very important when many people want to tow caravans, campers or trailers, but it was not mentioned in the article.

    So, here are some details I added.

    PAYLOAD ranking
    1. G-Class Professional CDI 1210kg
    2. 70 Series dual cab 1140kg
    3. Discovery SD4 HSE 921kg
    4. Ranger Raptor 758kg
    5. 200 Series GXL 610kg
    6. Wrangler Rubicon 409kg
    7. Suzuki Jimny 345 kg
    So, notice how calculating payload sent the Rubicon crashing from first to sixth place.
    Notice also how the Discovery soared from sixth to third place.
    The Rubicon and Jimny are not serious overland vehicles, based on payload. Even the 200 series is marginal on 610kg.
    Fill the fuel tank, install a fridge, load some water, camping gear and clothes, and there is only enough payload left for 2-3 people. Not good enough.
    For comparison, my 110 Defender wagon has a 1044kg payload while a 110 dual-cab can carry 1525kg and a 130 dual-cab a massive 1607kg.

    TOWING ranking
    3500kg: 70 series, 200 Series, Discovery
    3140kg: G-Class Professional wagen
    2500kg: Ranger Raptor
    2495kg: Wrangler Rubicon
    1300kg: Suzuki Jimny
    So, if a serious tow vehicle is needed, and a margin for safety is important, the only real choices are the 70, 200 and Discovery.
    A G-Class might sneak in if the caravan is not too heavy. The Wrangler and Raptor are really only suitable for camper trailers.
    Again, my Defender can tow 3500kg.

    PRICE ranking.
    These figures are rounded because many options are available, so ticking boxes can cause wide variations, and are specific to the models mentioned, so they are only a general guide.
    1. G-Class about $110,000
    2. Discovery SD4 HSE about $100,000
    3. 200 Series GXL about $90,000
    4. Ranger Raptor about $75,500
    5. 70 Series about $70,000
    6. Wrangler Rubicon about $69,000
    7. Jimny $24,000
    For comparison, the last Defenders sold new for about $50,000.

    SAFETY
    While most of these vehicles scored five stars, it should be noted the Wrangler scored a miserable one star, while the Jimny got three stars. How can Jeep design a new vehicle which can only score one star? Are they serious?
    Yes, my Defender is hopeless for crash safety, that's true, but I'm sure the new Defender will score five stars.

    SO, would I trade my 2009 Defender for any of them? No, I wouldn't.
    The Wrangler and Jimny are toys, not credible overlanding vehicles, and I certainly want more than one star of crash safety from any new vehicle.
    It also has to be able to tow 3500kg, like my Defender, and have a roomy body.
    I don't want a ute, so that rules out the Raptor and 70 Series.
    The G-Class has the best payload of them all, but is too cramped inside, as is the Wrangler. The Wrangler's payload is uselessly small and the Jimny is a joke.
    The porky 200 needs to go on a crash diet, uses too much fuel and has a poor payload for such a large vehicle.

    So no, I would only consider the Discovery in this group, and it would be an SE TD4 for about $77,000 plus options.
    Bring on the new Defender!

    What do you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoMick View Post
    Fraser Stomach rates the seven chosen vehicles in this order:

    What do you think?
    That Fraser Stronach wouldn't like your spelling of his name.
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    Interesting, Im about to head off for a couple of months in the Iveco towing 2000kg Caravan, I was thinking the other day in the event of a total loss of the Iveco what would I replace it with , certainly not an Iveco , and not another truck, and never another Diesel . The only one from that list I'd consider buying to continue my trip is the Jeep but I'd probably buy a good used FJ Cruiser instead.

    PS I weighed the Iveco the other day with full tanks and its 3900kg , GVM is 4495 kg (its reg as a DC Ute) , leaving 595kg , so the Jeeps miserly load capacity not far off.

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    Going by those lists the 70 series appears to be the pick of the litter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by p38arover View Post
    Fraser Stronach wouldn't like your spelling of his name.
    Oops, that's an embarrassingly bad error. Thanks for pointing it out. I'll blame auto-correct. Now fixed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goingbush View Post
    Interesting, Im about to head off for a couple of months in the Iveco towing 2000kg Caravan, I was thinking the other day in the event of a total loss of the Iveco what would I replace it with , certainly not an Iveco , and not another truck, and never another Diesel . The only one from that list I'd consider buying to continue my trip is the Jeep but I'd probably buy a good used FJ Cruiser instead.

    PS I weighed the Iveco the other day with full tanks and its 3900kg , GVM is 4495 kg (its reg as a DC Ute) , leaving 595kg , so the Jeeps miserly load capacity not far off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by d2dave View Post
    Why never another diesel?

    For me, the Diesel advantage no longer exists , Up until EU4 they used to be simple and reliable , now they have so much junk thrown on them, to make them comply with EU6 EGR , Adblue / SCR / DPF they are now complex and unreliable.

    Hopefully I wont need to purchase another vehicle until my Bollinger comes along, but if I do it will have a petrol engine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trout1105 View Post
    Going by those lists the 70 series appears to be the pick of the litter.
    That 100 something kg is lost once you factor in the Disco is rated with driver and fuel. The 70 is not.

    You’d hop out of the Disco feeling refreshed, no drama.
    Same can not be said for any Toyota 4x4 made in the last millennium.


    Not sure I’d have any of that list...

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    Some of the team are pretty expensive cars. If money no problem I would have a Dodge Ram with Cummins and Allison. A bit of space inside and plenty of grunt.
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