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through the years from 1982 to 2000, i did exactly what bryce finds unimaginable. that is go away with a bunch of mates and from time to time, we did take a newbie along and teach them the ropes. 6 or 7 guys with lots of different experience in many different makes and wheelbase configurations always made for a very interesting weekend.
we used to go pretty hard nearly all the time, safety was always a concern and we never rolled a vehicle, or even immobilised a vehicle off road. despite frequent weekends crossing in and out of the shoalhaven river and it's tributaries, never hydraulicked a car.
in the end, the main reasons i joined the lroc was that i had a land rover and i needed new ideas for places to go, all the ones that i used to go to were closing up. the fact that i wasn't compelled to do a driver training course when i joined the club was also an incentive. this wasn't because i was so arrogant to think that i knew everything i needed to know, but more that it wasn't high on my priority list and there was no pressure.
in fact, i did the DTC in september 2004 and i definitly learnt a few things i didn't know before. some of them were even related to 4wding.
since i joined the lroc, i have met and befriended tons of people, admittedy, there are some i'd rather spend more time with than others, but that is merely a common interest thing.
the unique thing about the lroc is that is 2 clubs (or more) in one. it is a 4wd club, but it's other main identity is that of an historic vehicle restorers club. we have just been affiliated with the CMC (council of motor clubs) which is the governing body for basically all of the normal car clubs in australia. no top of these there are the smaller factions of the club like the tuff trip group etc.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(barney @ May 12 2006, 11:26 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
through the years from 1982 to 2000, i did exactly what bryce finds unimaginable. that is go away with a bunch of mates and from time to time, we did take a newbie along and teach them the ropes. 6 or 7 guys with lots of different experience in many different makes and wheelbase configurations always made for a very interesting weekend.
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Matt I do understand what your saying, but you knew the guy going with you was a newby with a decision by all "to train him".
I had one trip to Sally's Hole where a guy in a Hi Luxe on a hard hill wanted to know how to get his car into low range. In between showing him after bouncing his rear guard of a few trees from loss of traction, & this bloke professed some sort of experience (Alice Springs Trip). He unfortunately was never seen again after that weekend. Newbies on trips unless your prepared to waste the good part of the day dicking around, & again unless your aware & prepared to help these guys, without slamming you for taking them into country too hard is not worth it from my point of view. And still I've taken plenty of newbies into the bush on my terms.
Cheers
Bryce
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Go along to a club meeting, (which ever club you decide) and meet the members. Try and get out on a trip with them (may mean you have to join) as this is the only way you will really get to know them. As for training it may or may not be necessary for you but do it anyway, Competance is what is needed and club training will only go part way towards that, because then you have to put it into practice and gain the experience in a variety of situations.
I started my life in the Range Rover club in the early 80s before dropping out and going away with like minded friends. As we were all together as a group/families if it took us 3 or 4 hours to get through an obstacle then that was how long it took, there was never any thought that we would not assist each other, recovery or driving skills.
After some 25 years I was the only one of the group that still owned a 4WD (and was still in Sydney) so I joined the LROC have participated in both the driver training (at Wollondilly Stn) and the advanced course at Briar station both of which were very enjoyable, and yes there were still things to learn, and to impart to others.
So the choice is yours as to whether to join a club, but if you do decide to go down the club path I've found nothing wrong with the LROC.
Bushie
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yep, that's right Bryce.
we used to spend most weekends in and around yalwal.
we'd go in at yalwal and travel down etrema creek to the junction of the shoalhaven.
about every 4th or 5th trip we'd have a newbie along.
the first time i went there, i was in my 1L suzuki sierra, stock standard with those bridgestone m&s tyres they used to come out with. i was fairly green then and we went in from tallowa dam at the junction of the kangaroo and shoalhaven rivers, and criss-crossed the river to etrema, then up there to come out at yalwal.
done the area down there in one way or another in every 4wd i've owned until they closed it up in 96? (i think).
photo below of my hilux under it's own power wth no snorkel and a petrol 2Litre engine
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(RoverOne @ May 12 2006, 10:55 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
I just can't see a bunch of guys going for a burn in the bush, wanting to take time out coaxing some new guy never been off road before in a new car in some rough country, & being responsible to get this guy in out safely & cutting into their driving pleasure.
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I have learn't more on the AULRO trips than with the club trips. The big difference is the club trips are local so easier to go on as the pact I made with the Missus when I bought the rig was that I would not go out without other vehicles. I would like to learn a bit more before I tried a solo trip anyway.
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Has anbody mentioned LROC yet? https://www.aulro.com/afvb/
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crickey this thread is heated
i haven't felt heat like this since i sat in the 90 and it was in the red https://www.aulro.com/afvb/
i think you all have very valid points but i would just like to confirm that we are not so called newbies!!! we are by no means proffesionals..........but deffinatly not newbies
so the fight over taking responability for newbies can now be smoothed out......
and i don't really no what it is like here but in the uk it doesn't matter what level of driver you are you all take care of each other no matter what..........
the same hapened when we did a 4x4 event in the mountains of france we helped people there alot and we didn't know them from adam, and they to helped us............
to me that is what 4x4ing is all about going out meeting nice people helping each other enjoying a common interest.........
not sorry mate you are not driver trained qualified i can't bare the thought of me having to watch you fall of a cliff..........if you know you are out with someone that is not that experienced then you don't take them to places where they can fall off cliffs!!!!
and if you take someone out and you don't find out what there driving is like before you go and you take them to tough places well then i believe you are partly to blame......
but thank you everyone for your posts
taking the good and the bad into consideration no doubt we will be attending the next meeting to see what its all about and hopefully meet up with some forum names and hopefully makes some friends for life...
dullbird
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Slunnie @ May 14 2006, 02:44 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Has anbody mentioned LROC yet? https://www.aulro.com/afvb/
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good to see you're keeping up slunnie.
bryce,
just to clarify, the intention of the inclusion of a newbie was not to "train them" but to include one of our friends who had just got a 4wd into one of our trips away. of course, so that we didn't have to drag a charred corpse back with us, it was in our best interest for these newbies to benefit from our experience, and so it was offered and thankfully most times it was gratiously accepted.
those that didn't take our advice and jeapordised the "fun" element of our weekend away, were often "overlooked" when the news of the next trip was bandied around.
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Clubs remind me of Monty Python's "Life of Brian"
The Judean Liberation Front as opposed to the Liberation Front of Judea.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dullbird @ May 14 2006, 07:59 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
crickey this thread is heated
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i didn't think it was getting heated at all.
everyone has an opinion one way or another on the whole "club" subject. back in the day, i was dead set against clubs, the whole "group mentality, do things the way i say, don't think for yourself" regime really put me off.
it wasn't until i was running out of places to go and joined the lroc that i found that for the most part, i was wrong. the lroc is not like that. there have been that type of person in the club before, some have even been committee members. but despite their attitude, the easy-going sanity of the clubs majority has prevailed.
3 cheers for "easy-goig sanity"
hip hip hooray
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